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	title of this thread your message whitespike I agree with almost every thing you say but I don't know any thing about these clocks being somewhat inferior , . and some what of a knock off I use the word somewhat on purpose, I just can't see Howard miller, which it self is a Icon and not some chinese knock off clock maker doing one thing that would dismiss or diminish the integrity of the Nelson clock, Barry made excellent points and basically said who cares and that is the truth, but we all care or we would not be wasting our time writing, I told you i measured a Howard miller ball clock that i have in my daughters room to a original orange ball from 1956 Barry said they had to change things around cause of electric C battery to quartz, and I believe that to be true, and when they did the configurations changed, and yes it is a little larger but not cheaper metal, if anything it is better than 1956 ball clock that i paid 650.00 8 years ago, and does not work at all, and i would not dare cut the cord and put a 5 dollar quartz movement in and have in running in 10 minutes, That one deserves to be preserved and that is what i did and have a beautiful icon now worth more than likely a 1000 bucks and can not keep a seconds worth of time, I have said for a long time in my home I have original designers and I have been lucky and blessed to have them, for a long time, In my office and wharehouse I have several knock offs from Alpha ville I have measured these things till I have felt like a Idiot on my knees with a tape measure just cause i want to know, and I want to know what makes them fakey, Once again Barry who deserves to be sighted here has stated for the record, what the difference is, but dimensions on clocks is just bull shit, who cares, Is Vitra going to be worth more in 40 years from now at a Wright auction? I say hell no!!! Vitra They are a great company but that is what they are a company... Jacquelin Nelson approached them to make up Georges Clocks 10 years ago when Howard miller had no interest, no difference than Eames Demintros asking the same company to make Grandpas 2000 dollar elephant both could have gone to Mr Mayogi in china and asked to make the stuff up over there..... Something to think about. associated web images (optional) associated web link (optional) your email your password create a forums account \| you forgot your password?