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	title of this thread your message I agree 100 percent they know from "Goonish " if you know what that means, nothing!, and it is real confusing to me, i have made several calls and they all act the same [code word we do not know] you would think a great company rich in history would love those Nelson clocks but they act like they are a thorn in the side or a pain in the Neck. and lets not go there, But if you want to talk about those ugly old granddaddy clocks they have internet sights, fan clubs, and you name it, kinda sad and it makes it real hard to get info on all this great stuff, so my friend every thing you say i have experienced my self. associated web images (optional) associated web link (optional) your email your password create a forums account \| you forgot your password?