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	title of this thread your message Is High Concept Engineering Eclipsing Design in Architecture? I hope so! If design and architecture go on looking for beauty, falling in deeper and deeper Narcissism, is what design and some sort of architecture needs! Well, after all it will be not the first, nor the last time in history In the end of 19Cent/beginning of 20 century had happen... Architects with good taste vs engineers When they constructed the Tour Eiffel (the engineers), the architects (from the beaux arts, of course!) needed to put some leaves and flowers to make beautiful such an ugly structure! (as you can imagine, them were removed very soon). But to me, my point of view, in a general position, the problem is that in our society, is that: You are a designer, he is an engineer, I,m an architect, S is a Journalist, D is a real estate agent, she is a Biochemist, and so on. That,s remind me an ad I saw from an University: Leonardo Da Vinci, What he was?, he was a painter? Or a sculptor? Or an Inventor? He was all! ,,,,,,,, A distinction between design and engineering is: the end result of design is always highly subjective; the end result of engineering is highly objective. ,,,,,,, Excellent! Here DC is pointing/ very near to point something: ,,,,,,,,,, We can be certain of three things in life: death, taxes, and the early stage of any major new product emphasizing function and paying little attention to aesthetics. There are of course exceptions. Certain large corporations and certain exceedingly wealthy persons find ways to avoid taxes almost entirely. And certain new products, like an iPod, with the rare CEO who has a sense of aesthetics informing him, insists on a splendidly designed product, as well as one with sound engineering. But for the most part, ground breaking new products often take several iterations before they become informed by a truly appealing form language. ,,,,,,,, About the 3 r d certain, Great!, but I think, I hope, I strongly believe, that this exception (the Ipod, not the only one, let me remember others), it,s becoming, it will be the norm of the future. If it will not became a norm with the hand of designers, will be most provably with the hand of ,,managers,,. (Designers, wake up before it will be too late!) (It,s funny how in management books explains them, what design is, and how important it is..). Don,t forget to add it in the manifesto! ps. After all, eclipsing, will mean we will not need to use so often the "glasses" DCwilson recomened. associated web images (optional) associated web link (optional) your email your password create a forums account \| you forgot your password?