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	title of this thread your message Lovely statements about design. "Regarding Mr. Piano, I believe he is a man of vast talent and skill who is for some reason either resisting, or simply choosing not to bring his work into irreducible unity." I missed the explanation of this statement, I guess. Koen found more than one way to get to the point I would like to make, that there needn't necessarily be a distinction between design and engineering. A designer who understands and can even contribute the necessary engineering will be a better designer than one who doesn't; the engineer who is sufficiently sensitive to aesthetic and ergonomic issues i(among others) is in effect his own designer. To state that engineering is strictly a matter of applying known principles and facts to the solving of a problem may lead some to think that for each engineering problem -- a bridge, for instance -- there is only one logical solution. As this is not the case, we must acknowledge that the engineer makes choices as he designs, just as the designer does. So, at best there is a continuum between the engineering-ignorant designer and the aesthetically challenged engineer. Why would anyone not prefer the broader middle ground, either as consumer, client, investor or audience ? associated web images (optional) associated web link (optional) your email your password create a forums account \| you forgot your password?