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	title of this thread your message Stephen...if you're Charles I suppose that make me Ray? Damn, those checkered skirts make my ass look big... Welcome Poach! And I really mean that. The more information contributed the better. Now, on to disagreeing with you :-D So as for the EC127, I don't think it was meant to replace the DCM, but it certainly was an evolution of the form, and a much more sensible way of upholstering them than the earliest incarnations. The plastic chairs also evolved: from the very thin fiberglass w/rope-edge and large mounts, to thicker fiberglass and smaller mounts, the base material changed, the base form changed from X to H, the glides changed, the upholstery was originally wired, then glued, then vaccuum injected. I don't think its much of a leap to arrive at polypropelene. I also don't understand your comment about Vitra texturing them. The poly looks just the same on the Eames chairs as it does on any other polypropylene things I've seen. (I just glanced at my co-workers Mirra chair and the poly is the same sort of texture). Also - my point with the Nelson clocks was that George was head of the office. Yes, his name is applied to all products, but it's not like he personally designed them all, meaning that Jaqueline's involvement as a former Associate member is more relevant than, say, Eames Demetrios' involvement. (Not that his is irrelevant...just different) As for quality/material I am sadly lacking in knowledge of the original Nelson clocks and will have to defer to those who are. I only know the 3 Vitra ones I own. associated web images (optional) associated web link (optional) your email your password create a forums account \| you forgot your password?