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	title of this thread your message But deeper than that, modernisti, if they explore the philosophical differences, find, ironically, that they, the modernisti, are the conservatives, the protectors of legacy, and of order. And it is the post moderns that are the rebells. And this is unnerving to modernisti who view modernism as an avant garde activity, a rebellion against the Victorian and functionalist philosophy's and aesthetics that modernism departed from. Post modernism raises a real problem for modernism. The enfant terrible of modernist becomes the Daddy in the dynamic between the modern and the post modern. The modern response tends to be that of the father of the bastard son. He tries to ignore it. Or as Michael once sung, "But the kid is not my son." And yet, on some level, we know the kid is his son in that song. And we know post modernism is the child of modernism. And there is a very dysfunctional parent-child dynamic between them manifesting as near total lack of communication and a wish by the parent that the kid would just go away. But the more the parent tries to ignore the child and go on doing its own thing, the more the ignored child tries to call attention to itself by confronting and challenging and ridiculing the unloving parent. Modernism can never escape post modernism so long as it permits this dynamic to continue, so long as it continues to permit itself to be defined in this dysfunctional dynamic. To me, Piano's engineered functionalism and Gehry's Deformism are clear efforts to move beyond the modern/post modern dynamic, by synthesising both, albeit in different ways. Piano picks up the intrinsic strand of functionalism embedded (and largely overlooked) in both the modern and the post modern and simply engineers buildings that combine formal and ornamental elements of both. Gehry uses deformism to basically destroy both modernism and post modernism at the same time. Gehry is working in the architectural equivalent of what neoconservative economists call creative destruction. Annihilation of obsolete orders and ways of thinking, like burning a pasture to get rid of last years dead growth, yields its own kind of re-juvenation, its own kind of rebirth of the green grass of life. associated web images (optional) associated web link (optional) your email your password create a forums account \| you forgot your password?