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02-Apr-02 |
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Drawings on vellum?
I am a high school art teacher beginning an industria design project with my 3D students.
My industrial designer roomate in college did all her hand-done drawings on vellum. Is this standard practice in industrial design? If so, why is vellum the material of choice? Just trying to set up as realistic an experience as possible.
Any other suggestions would really be welcome. Thanks.
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Suzanne
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05-Apr-02 |
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dear Suzanne
For a moment I thought that you refered to "Vellum" the drafting software.....Than I realized that it was the material that we used long, long time ago... As I remember it vellum was used because the only way to copy large technical drawings was to put them on light sensitive paper and expose them to light (U.V.light in a later stage) The paper was subsequently exposed to amoniac vapour, either in a closed box or in the copying machine. In any case, semi transparency was certainly the reason why we used vellum. It also allows you to put a new sheet on top of a previous sketch and copy it while changing the detail that you wanted to change or improuve upon. Apart from being a pleasant material that offered these advantages, I can not remember another reason. As most designers we started to use computers far to early...1978..on a German Nixdorf with mostly self written programming. Plotting at the time was so slow that we still did it on vellum in order to make copies in the previously described way. I guess that at the end it was a combination of the photocopy machine (for variations on a chosen solution) and the computer that killed the use of vellum. Just thinking of it makes it tempting to use it again...it's nice stuff.
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koen
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05-Sep-02 |
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wow, this thread brought me back to an earlier time where we worked on vellum or if the drawing really needed to last and stand up to revisions, on frosted mylar. it was a time when a big upgrade was a new Rapidiograph point that didn't leak as much. (and yes... I go back as far as ruling pens - which I'm sure is totally alien to most here...)
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Rick Edmonds
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05-Sep-02 |
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what vellum actually is
vellum is the finest grade of parchment it is made of the finest skins usually lamb or calves.you all are talking about a proprietary product.
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05-Sep-02 |
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Dictonary: Vellum
]vel·lum
Pronunciation: 've-l&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English velim, from Middle French veelin, from veelin, adjective, of a calf, from veel calf ?more at VEAL
Date: 15th century
1 : a fine-grained unsplit lambskin, kidskin, or calfskin prepared especially for writing on or for binding books
2 : a strong cream-colored paper
------ geee, nothing proprietary to it - (that's why a number of paper companies all sell it (see definition 2)
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Rick Edmonds
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06-Sep-02 |
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paper or vellum
all strong cream colored paper is called vellum.that is a bit like calling all weak pink toilet paper rose petal.stick to calling materials what they truely are first usage is usually best going all the way back to the 15 th century.i notice you did not say when animal skins morphed into vellum.
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david smith
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06-Sep-02 |
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hans
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06-Sep-02 |
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webster
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06-Sep-02 |
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Yikes!
Ok, lets sort this out....
David Smith - the definition says "A" strong cream-colored paper NOT "ALL" as you apparently mis-read it as. Also, I don't believe the stuff "morphs" - this isn't a digital push button, click the mouse process, it's an analog processing performed by a person using chemicals & tools and probably works up a sweat doing it.
hans: right you are but under certain circumstances (such as "vellum") they have the same name - we won't even go into Linen (the paper) vs. Linen (the woven cotton cloth) here.
webster: parchment is made out of sheep or goat skins vs. the skins used for vellum - also parchment came in the 14th century (an earlier rougher or cruder product then vellum)
The second usage (paper) is by far the more commonly known & used product during the 20th century of the two Anyone that has actually worked in design, drafting or graphic art prior to the 90's probably used it daily.
smiles everyone!
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Rick Edmonds
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06-Sep-02 |
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mr edmonds
vellum paper is parchment paper.the correct way to say it would be VELLUM PAPER.vellum is most precicely as maurice said animal skin.do you call linen paper-simply linen.
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hans
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06-Sep-02 |
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beating a dead skin or something...
OK fine... EXCEPT that vellum "paper" is NOT parchment "paper" - they are two very different different animals... oops... papers. If you've ever seen a tourist copy of the Declaration of Independence - that is parchment "paper" while the stuff we used to do floorplans and design airplanes on (up to 10 years ago) is Vellum "paper".
The "paper" form of these materials was (for ecconomic reasons) intended to simulate the animal-based versions.
And yes, if you work in the printing industry, for example, people in the industry will say "the job is printed on 100 pound linen with a vellum fly-sheet" - it's assumed that it's not on cloth and animal skins and the word "paper" indeed goes unsaid.
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Rick Edmonds
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06-Sep-02 |
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mr edmonds
page 2304 of the word book dictonary states parchment paper is vellum paper.also your vellum should be called vegtable vellum according to this same source.in germany we have specific wordswothis is why germany is over represented im medicine and science perhaps.we both split hairs.your def.is inclusive mine aims at specifics and precise defs.both are correct except vellum paper is parchment paper.i admire your tenacity.smile.
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hans
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06-Sep-02 |
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hans,
I likewise admire your tenacity on this obscure subject.
My separation of the two materials was based on my 20 plus years in the graphic arts/printing industry where paper vendors & printers (USA) do make a real distinction between what have become very different products. If you do a search online of paper vendors, there is not any cross-reference between either material. In the printing context, parchment is typically used only to reproduce thinks with an "old fassioned" look.
From a technical and historic standpoint, indeed you are right, vellum paper is a finer version or type of parchment paper - as was technically the animal versions - Vellum being higher quality.
A product called Vegitable Parchment is sold here for food preparation and cooking use - however not all paper parchment sold in the USA here qualifies as "vegetable" parchment because many contain up to half post-consumer recycle products and thus don't qualify for food use due to non-pure additives.
Shall we discuss another product from years back called Vellum Cloth or let this thread die of natural causes?
Cheers!
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Rick Edmonds
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06-Sep-02 |
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Rick Edmonds
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29-Nov-05 |
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I sell real vellum
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Parchment or vellum? (Vellum is a refinement of parchment)
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30-Nov-05 |
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OK already!
Did any of this etymology answer Suzanne's question?
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30-Nov-05 |
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Looks like
poor Suzanne "gave it up" almost immediately. I for one still draw on commercial vellum drafting stock (Clearprint brand) at work, using HB .05 mm leads in a "mechanical pencil." Wouldn't have it any other way. . .
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