20-Jun-12
What to do?
Does anyone know how I can get rid of the whitening (ghosting?) under the varnish in the photo below, without stripping the surface?
posted by danielmpoole
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20-Jun-12
It's what I call "bloom".
Usually caused by moisture and/or heat.

Try testing the finish to see if you can tell what it is. Put a single drop of denatured alcohol or your preferred whisky on a less conspicuous area, let it sit for 10-20 seconds, then blot it away. Immediately test the spot for stickiness or any sign that the alcohol has begun to dissolve the finish. If it has, it's likely shellac and the bloom can easily be removed by a quick French-polishing of the top. Any mobile furniture repair service person should be able to do it in about 15 minutes.

If it's not shellac, the process is a bit trickier, but sometimes not impossible to repair without refinishing. Liberon makes a product called "Burnishing Cream" that's meant to work on this type of damage. I haven't tried it, but their products that I have used are of reliable quality.
http://www.restoration-materials.co.uk/www.restoration-mate1...
posted by tktoo
edited on 20-Jun-12 02:19 PM  [edit]
 
20-Jun-12
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"White marks indicate that water has penetrated the surface of the finish. An easy method of removing white marks is to use mayonnaise. Cover and rub the white mark with mayonnaise and leave overnight and it will magically disappear overnight."

from:
http://www.essortment.com/furniture-repair-removing-stains-l...
posted by SDR (USA)
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20-Jun-12
I just bought
a table with some white rings and durn it I'm trying the mayonnaise trick! It sounds plausible and I am all about plausible!
posted by waffle
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21-Jun-12
I have used a paste
of cigarette ash and some rubbing and it worked very well. I have also been told the same with baking soda as well as the mayo. The other I have heard is heat. Have not tried that yet.
posted by glassartist (USA)
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21-Jun-12
I can't explain it,
but I'm suddenly hankering for a grilled chicken sandwich with lettuce and burnishing cream on whole wheat toast.
posted by tktoo
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21-Jun-12

"I can't explain it,
but I'm suddenly hankering for a grilled chicken sandwich with lettuce and burnishing cream on whole wheat toast."

me too now you mention it.
posted by Killian (IRL)
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21-Jun-12
I'll try the mayo first
I've heard about that trick before, but am sceptical. I also heard about using heat to remove the marks - i'm a little hesitant about that one!

Thanks for your advice, tktoo. I thought you'd like this:



http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-steak-sandwich-wito...
posted by danielmpoole
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21-Jun-12
Ooh, Daniel, is there a DA food network?
Don't make me post my grilled portabella marinade recipe. You'll be sorry.

BTW, the day you find me slathering condiments on fine furniture is the day you can nail me into a pine box.
posted by tktoo
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21-Jun-12
Ever seen Leather CPR?

I have a sneaking suspicion that it's really just mayonnaise.
posted by woodywood (USA)
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21-Jun-12
I didn't have you down as a pine man, tktoo
Are you also not curious as to whether the Mayo trick actually works? I am.

I'll be back tomorrow, asking how to remove oil marks.

posted by danielmpoole
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21-Jun-12
mayo
didn't work for me. Think there is a finish prevent absorption. Guess I will try the hot iron and cloth that TCHP indicated which I THINK i have done successfully previously.
posted by waffle
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21-Jun-12
I bought this.
It was next to the Burnishing cream.

Reckon it'll taste lovely with my poached salmon.
http://www.liberon.co.uk/retouch-and-revive/ring-remover,43D...
posted by danielmpoole
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21-Jun-12
Don't forget...

To be generous with the dill.
posted by woodywood (USA)
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21-Jun-12
Admittedly, I'm more of a rosewood and teak type
tempered by a Naugahyde and pine income, alas.

Please pass the Grey Poupon!

Edited to change "gray" to "grey". I nearly forgot that this is an English-speaking crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho61-oaU6wo&feature=endscreen
posted by tktoo
edited on 21-Jun-12 07:55 PM  [edit]
 
21-Jun-12
A rather fine likeness, I fear.
Bar the exception that one does not dine on processed meat. We Brits leave the baloney for you yanks.

Changing the subject for a moment. The Liberon product worked a treat.
posted by danielmpoole
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21-Jun-12
Grey Puopon and naugahyde sound divine together!


Why not?, I say. I have good teeth, afterall.
posted by Mark
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21-Jun-12
A happy resolution!
Nice to hear. We so rarely get reports on results.

Now, what's for dinner?
posted by tktoo
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22-Jun-12
well well and
lastly well

the mayo nogo. The DRY iron? Much better. Really quite remarkable. Some sites said use water, but that made me nervous, so just a clean cotton thingy and an iron set to high. Found the right amount of time to be just about 1 minute. KEEP IT MOVING. Pretty cool, or hot, or whatever.
posted by waffle
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22-Jun-12
Enough people advocate...
Enough people advocate mayonnaise that I assume it must work in certain instances, or with certain types of finishes or woods, but it did nothing at all with the white marks on the teak tables I have tried it on. The iron removed all of them though. I have no idea if the repaired areas are susceptible to having the spots come back again, if exposed to moisture or humidity. They have not come back on my table thus far.
posted by tchp
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22-Jun-12
I found interesting
that, even though I think the finish on the table is original (it does not look like it has EVER been worked on) when hot it smelled quite a bit like Polyurethane.

Anyway, for this piece it was significantly better than Mayo. And I had such hope for Mayo! I did buy some artichokes today so the boy can use the Mayo for dipping purposes.
posted by waffle
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22-Jun-12
An iron and
a wetted pad is for removal of dents. Very effective on maple . . . though it's most effective on unfinished wood.

Although the instructions for the Liberon product stipulate "vigorous rubbing," and the burnishing cream mentioned earlier also implies (by its name) that the corrective action has something to do with friction or abrasion, it may be that, in both cases, the actual action is accomplished not mechanically but chemically -- which would also be the case with a poultice of mayonnaise ?

I have always assumed that the whitening was something penetrating the finish, rather than a topical defect. Perhaps that's not the case . . . ?
posted by SDR (USA)
edited on 22-Jun-12 02:07 AM  [edit]
 
22-Jun-12
The cigar ash trick used to be tossed out as gospel, too.
I remember trying it on a desk I had placed near an old radiator with a faulty valve that sprayed steam at it when I was away. I assumed it was meant as a mild abrasive, but it did little, if anything, to restore the finish. I was lucky that it was shellac and easily reconstituted with a 1 lb. cut wash coat of same.

Evaporative films like shellac or lacquer are relatively easy. Finishes that "dry" by process of conversion such as many varnishes with synthetic resins like polyurethane are more tricky. Especially since formulas are often proprietary and there's simply no way to know exactly what's in these modern products. Most "Danish Oil" finishes today contain some of these resins, BTW, making them more accurately "wiping varnishes".

I don't know enough about organic chemistry or the science of modern furniture conservation to be able to recommend an appropriate approach to every problem. I have worked with enough conservators over the years to have a fairly good idea of what shouldn't be done, however. Though not one has ever told me directly never to smear food products on valuable furniture, I've certainly never heard of such a thing being done in a professional conservation lab. At least not intentionally.

Without experts to consult, we're stuck with the lore and alchemy of home-spun remedies and concoctions from the hardware stores. To put things in perspective, most of us are not dealing with museum pieces. If the proof is in the pudding, all the better. And if we really muck things up, there are always pros out there counting on us to keep them in business.
posted by tktoo
edited on 22-Jun-12 01:50 PM  [edit]
 

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