19-Jan-06
Eames Labels
Hello,

Does anyone know the transition of the Eames/Herman Miller Labels.

I know that the Zenith Paper label was used (large shocks)

Then the Transitional Shells came about (no labels? small or large shocks?)

Then the Zenith/Herman Miller Paper Labels

Then the Herman Miller Paper Label

Then the Herman Miller Embossed Label

Questions:

Are transitional shells able to have large or small shocks or all they always large?

Also when did the disk(medallion) label come into play? Where these ever used on transitional shells?

Thanks in advance.
posted by MidCentBoy
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19-Jan-06
labels.
Yes. To start, no labels... prototypes and prepro peices had nothing or work guiding letters and numbers, then the Zenith transfer (plastic sticker not paper) label. The transitional chairs had large shockmounts to start. Some chairs had the rope edge, some did not. Some had the zenith label without the rope edge. As they were "transitional" they could have had a variety of traits. After the zenith label was the venice label. A small rectangular red label. I think it mentions made in venice california...eames.. bla bla.. I will have to look at one of my chairs if you want the exact wording. these chairs again I have seen with and without the large puck shockmounts. again, being transitional the chairs with the large mounts and rope edges were phased out and if there was stock left or found later they would have utilized the materials available to that point in the manufacturing process. You will often see the venice label on the earliest side shells. Not as many on the armshells for some reason. The paper label with the patents came in later around the mid to late fifties as well as the medallion. The metal medallion was used a lot on institutional applications from what I have seen and come across. The stamped HM or stylized "h" logo was utilized in the 60's on. Hope this helps..
posted by modernisbetter
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19-Jan-06
Thanks, so...
it is possible for a shell, especially one in lemon yellow that is translucent with small shockmounts an and no label to be transitional?
posted by MidCentBoy
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19-Jan-06
probably not. yelow is nice...
probably not.
yelow is nice though.
posted by modernisbetter
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19-Jan-06
Thank you again..
Thanks again. The yellow is very pale and very transparent but it is the smaller schocks that rule out transitional correct? So at one time it more than likely had the Herman Miller Patent Paper label that fell off/was removed. Are these your thoughts?
posted by MidCentBoy
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19-Jan-06
yes.
yes
posted by modernisbetter
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20-Jan-06
Thank you..
You have been a great help.
posted by MidCentBoy
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13-Dec-09
Are you saying red labels are...
Are you saying red labels are the earliest Herman Miller label, after the transition from Zenith?

Just found a red label arm shell rocker and a red label arm shell on eiffel.
posted by whitespike (USA)
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13-Dec-09
Medallion
Was first used in the mid-to-late 50s, I believe.
posted by woodywood (USA)
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13-Dec-09
ya
yes, the red clear sticker labels are the first production of the herman miller shells after the zenith chairs. i have seen them on transitional shells as well. only with no rope edge but some with the large and some with the small shockmounts.
posted by tynellbuyer
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15-Dec-09
The red sticker on my shells...
The red sticker on my shells say "designed by charles eames. herman miller zeeland michigan. shipped from venice california."

They have the large mounts. No rope edge.

What factory was in California? Zenith?

So were these made by Zenith or Herman Miller or someone else?

And based on the large mounts, no rope, and red label what year(s) do you think they might be?
posted by whitespike (USA)
edited on 15-Dec-09 06:39 PM  [edit]
 
15-Dec-09
"Shipped from Venice"

refers to 901 Washington Boulevard in Venice, California, otherwise known as the Eames Office (the original location from 1943-1988).



posted by the_beloved (US/CAN)
edited on 15-Dec-09 07:07 PM  [edit]
 
15-Dec-09
California
Yes, Zenith was located in Gardena and produced the shells for Herman Miller. Eames Office was located in Venice. Rope edge was only made the first year (1949-50), but I suspect some leftovers may have lingered into subsequent years. Yours are probably early 1950s.
posted by woodywood (USA)
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15-Dec-09
so my shells i am assuming...
so my shells i am assuming were made at zenith and shipped from the eames office?

excuse the mess!
posted by whitespike (USA)
edited on 15-Dec-09 07:32 PM  [edit]
 
16-Dec-09
No, dude...
Your chair was manufactured and shipped from the Eames Office in Venice, just after the earliest(Zenith) productions and just before Herman Miller took over the production process.

By my calculations, that would make it an early or more likely mid 50's production as Summit Plastics was well underway by the late 50's.
posted by Lunchbox (USA)
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16-Dec-09
I didn't realize that anythin...
I didn't realize that anything was ever manufactured AT the Eames Office.
posted by whitespike (USA)
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17-Dec-09
Yeah, you did...
Remember the X based wire chair I found with the Eames Office street address on it?
posted by Lunchbox (USA)
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17-Dec-09
Yeah, I remember. I just...
Yeah, I remember. I just thought it was shipped from that location, though. I had to have read this in "The Design of herman Miller." It's been a few. Neat to think that Charles or Ray might've been in the same room with one of these...
posted by whitespike (USA)
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20-Dec-09
Yes
Indeedy
posted by Lunchbox (USA)
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05-Jun-11
what do you make of my two chairs in terms of dates
my understand from my dad is these chairs were apart of a sample collection acquired direct from the Hurman Miller for the Canadian National Rail interior design studio that he worked at maybe 50 years ago.

I know the pucks broke and I think that my dad removed them and put on some white silicon on the mounts some years ago.

it seems that they are 60s , but what about the numbers ?



posted by chair guy
edited on 06-Jun-11 04:13 AM  [edit]
 
07-Jul-11
elephant hide grey
i compared the labels on eamesoffice.com and if i'm right this must be the same label! :)

Does somebody know anything about the "elephant hide grey"?

Thx!!!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/dsrmillerzenithele/...
posted by joaquin5
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07-Jul-11
Um

What do you want to know about it?
posted by woodywood (USA)
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07-Jul-11
i would like to know...
is it a rare production?
havent seen this colour a lot? rare?
has this chair been at the office of Eames?Getting really excited if it was there

would u think ?500 is the right price for this chair? Because i would like to buy it...

Thx

posted by joaquin5
edited on 07-Jul-11 05:05 PM  [edit]
 
07-Jul-11
500 USD?
This chair is an early production but not extremely rare. In good condition, it would be worth ~$300 or so.
posted by woodywood (USA)
edited on 07-Jul-11 06:34 PM  [edit]
 
07-Jul-11
...so sorry to inform you, ...
...so sorry to inform you, numbers on the chairs mean almost nothing.The chairs were made in 3 factories and they are control numbers, mostly for the color lots for contract chairs.
posted by LRF (USA)
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11-Oct-11
500EUR?
Somebody is selling it on the web for 500EUR.. Not worth it.. Thx for advice..

Have u ever imported chairs from USA? I'm from Belgium.. And was wondering if u can find some trusty sellers in USA?

Thx
posted by joaquin5
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20-Mar-14
Strange Herman Miller Patent labels
Hi all,
Just got a couple chairs with paper HM labels unlike any I have seen before. One chair is Cincinatti Milacron, one is Summit, but both have the same HM paper patent labels with different dimensions than others. They both say 'Institutional Quality" on them, albeit in different presentations. Check out these pics for a reference. Maybe they are normal and I just have never seen em, but I have about 15 shells in all, arm and side, and they all either have no label or if they do (most do) they have a label like in the third image.
Thanks for any info.


posted by bshop22
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20-Mar-14
Also,
Also, I have an old elephant grey armshell with the following label on it. Also, has 1951 stamped across it, in addition to the following thin aluminum (I think) label. Anyone familiar with it and the provenance? The shell is one of a pair, the other being stamped 1950 on the HM patent label. Does this make sense?
Thanks again y'all
posted by bshop22
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20-Mar-14
1959
I dont see "1951" stamped anywhere on the white paper label of this grey shell, but I do see "1959" clearly (but lightly) stamped just over the word "company" on the lower right hand side of the label.

The 1959 date is consistent with this larger white paper label.

As for the metal label, this is probably towards the very end of the time frame for its use.

(I have an old beat up DCM chair with the early wide "Evans" metal flanges associated with 1946-48 -- but it has this same metal label. Possibly leftover stock that received early use of this label?

So the use of the metal label probably spans from 1948 to possibly 1960 or so.

I have seen the metal label (or it's residue) on a number arm shells, mostly from the mid 50's, and often with the early or larger white paper label.
posted by EamesHead
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20-Mar-14
The easiest way to tell the...
The easiest way to tell the approx date anyway is to look at the last patent date, ( if the stamp date is tough to read, as many are blurry) as it only came out evert couple of years. The patent you have is from 1958, so the 59' date EamesHead pointed out makes total sense.

posted by Joshua F (USA)
edited on 20-Mar-14 05:02 PM  [edit]
 
20-Mar-14
bshop22
"Institutional Quality" shells are not uncommon and in fact are probably more common since they were used in institutions (e.g. schools, churches, offices, etc.) in large quantities. What's not clear to me is if there was an actual difference in the shell quality between those marked as "Institutional Quality" and those produced and/or sold for other applications.
posted by woodywood (USA)
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