Nelson eye clock 1
I've seen this clock below. Now I've never ever bought a knock off in my life, and really don't like the idea but it's for a small corner in a hall way (the colours match some art I have) so I can't really justify paying for a Vitra clock. I know it's missing the seconds hand but apart from that it looks ok? What do people think, it's cheap after all!

http://www.mojointeriors.co.uk/uk/eye-clock-p-468.html

Non-Vitra
I've seen a non-Vitra repro here in the USA and it looked really nice. I'd bet they are distributed from the same place. Unless you owned the Vitra, It's hard to tell the difference.

Yea...maybe me too
I have seen on eBay people in the UK selling what looks to be a high quality knockoff.

Did the original have a second hand? I thought that this particular clock, with it's weird minute and hour hands, didn't have a second hand....in the first place.

This sure brings up on an issue; Schiffer should put a book out researching ALL of the non-Herman Miller GEORGE NELSON Associates pieces.

This book should include ALL of the known Howard Miller and Meridian Nelson clocks, the "Florence" melmac from Prolon, the box lamp I have that I've read is a Nelson design, the fireplace set, and jax bookends (did he design them or not), etc. and provide research as to who in the Nelson Associates group actually designed each piece.

I would buy that book in a heartbeat.

LRF
where would I buy the quality knock off in the US?

My Whiteonwhite's website is dizzying
Nice website, but I think I got a migrane from trying to view the pix in the small popup window.

No specifics as to material quality or price, tho. no shipping info, either

I did email them...we'll see if I get a reply.

Vitra Eye clock
Funny thing about the Vitra Eye clock, If you hang it horizontal it will bow. I went to a couple local DWR's and both were bowed(one really bad). After seeing that I sold my Vitra.

mine looks good
no bowing on this one . i think it looks good no one is more picky then me, That web site for white on white sucks as far as i am concerned with that stupid process of down loading pics. and hard to read pics the first thing i did when i got the clock i measured to the vitra and it was the same,
I am thinking of getting the kite black and white clock
I did notice that it is reversed from right to left from vitra but simple enough just turn the clock movement and it will be perfect, If they were crappy fakes I would not buy them and I would tell my DA
buddies that they were fakey looking, but these are really good for the price. as i own several vitra clocks and they are just like them and have the wood centers ,
I do not like this company white on white at all I feel there stuff is junk as I have seen some of their goods in a apartment in NYC and the couple that owned the stuff was real disappointed, I think they have a lot of stuff made up from China or Turkey, were the owners are from ,and this stuff is not Alphaville,
I can't believe how expensive the Vitra clocks are as i buy 2 or 3 a year, i do like to collect the nelson clocks, the old ones, go for 800 to 1000 and they are just not worth it, as they do not run, I have the original orange from 1956 and gave 650.00 and it is just no big deal as it does not run at all, it is electric with a cord and is ugly on the wall,
I will let every one in on the best kept secret Howard Miller reintroduced 2 clocks three years ago as they still own the original rights to the astrick clock in black and the Nelson ball clock in black and chrome, both marked Howard Miller you can buy them on ebay for about 55.00 each and still are as original as original can be,
I called and talked to Howard Millers grandson about 6 months ago and visited with him about the clocks asking him if they were going to reintroduce any more of them,
He said in 1982 they reintroduced several Nelson clocks with quartz movements, they sold very poorly as they were very disappointed, The widow of George Nelson I believe her name is Jacqueline made a deal with Vitra to allow them to manufacture Georges clocks in the late 90's and that is what you see out in the market place, but if you want to get two great clocks for 100.00 bucks together buy the Howard miller ones cause in my opinion they are worth far more than the vitras, as what could be better than the owning one from the original company

LRF...how much did it cost?
The website gave me 'a bad case of da miseries'....but I'd buy one if it was reasonable. May i ask you how much did it cost? How much did they charge for postage?

Thanx-au-go-go in advance

whitespike
i just measured the original ball clock from 1956 to the one that i got from Howard miller the new howard millers are a little larger but i find that not so unusual.
I think it was more than likely when they retooled it and they tried to make it more marketable
anybody know about the astrick clock
i have the howard miller also in that one ,
I can not see why anyone would want the vitra in that one cause it is just like the howard miller with exception that the minute hand is smaller, and about 200. cheaper.

Asterisk
is nothing like the Vitra version. The Howard Miller is significantly bigger. The hands are slightly different (more flimsy). The metal body is not as heavy gauged. The backing is more shallow (which I noticed that it makes the shadows behind it less exaggerated).

A great clock for $50. I have it. But it isn't the same.

My eye clock should be here...
My eye clock should be here either tomorrow or Saturday so I'll post an image/my findings then. I'm keen on the steering wheel clock too (being an evid motor racing fan!).

Joel
Because of the weight of the metal, the wood will sag. You can of course flip the back plate if it sags and just hang it at 180 degrees. I saw your pictures on Flickr with the clock wall, it looks great. How are you liking the Tolomeo Mega?

barry you might call one...
barry you might call one of those clock dealers and see if howard miller is still making that clock and see if they can order it for you,

Always a risk buying knockoffs.
A friend just bought a knockoff Sunburst clock (against my recommendations). The photo showed an exact replica of the Nelson, but when the actual clock arrived it was pure crap. It was made out of cheap sheet metal, the proportions were all fkd up and the hands were oddly colored. It bore absolutely NO resemblance to the clock in the photo she had seen on the website, which was more than likely a photo stolen from Vitra or DWR.

podboy
don't get hung up on verbiage
Howard miller is the maker of clocks and if you have a clock that is a ball clock or astrick by Howard miller how can you go wrong?
Just cause they reintroduced those clocks is no difference than Vitra. I have them both and i see no difference in owning one over the other, I personally like owning the Millers cause they made the first series, that we call original these are just another series, but none the less inferior or less original, now if the Nelson clocks were made by the Target company I would have to
take another look but, every clock you get that is designed by Michael Graves will have the same worth as Nelson clock 50 years from now and one of his clocks is in a very prestigious book i own called World design

I see your point
But the Howard Miller clocks are not even to be considered reproductions. They are not true in their dimensions and/or material quality. This is NOT equivalent to small changes made to products over time. This is a product lower in quality than the original, with dimensions changes probably only for legal reasons. Most of the time the changes in production that you speak of happens based on manufacturing contraints and changes in technology. Therefore I don't view these changes to be similar.

This is a rare occurance of a knockoff being created by the original manufacturer. Like I said, I own one. But, I know what it is and I'm fine with it. I just wanted a damn clock that looks good for less than a hundred bucks. While it's no Vitra, it's not bad. But it isn't "the same."

LRF & Whitespike
I'm in contact with Leslie Pina at Shiffer...I'm trying to interest her (him?) in a George Nelson Associates book that features all the junk he (they) did companies OTHER than Herman Miller, including:

All known clocks from Howard Miller and Meridian (God, there's always something that pops up on eBay that NOBODY's ever seen before....)

The Florence line for Prolon (I believe that Nelson had nothing to do with this line...it was Irving Harper)

The jax bookends (were they or were they not Nelson??)

The Kite Lamp (I have one and saw someone selling one on eBauy claiming it to be Nelson....)

The wrought fireplace set

I believe that GNA also was involved in flatware and other junk. (Isn't there a "Helmet" lamp??)

It would be swell for her to also, once and for all, provide bios on alll the important people at GNA and give credit where credit's due.

When I discovered that Irving Harper did the Marshmellow Sofa and that Nelson didn't want his associates' name on the stuff, it was a bit of a turnoff.

Donald Plie (or is it Pile) also designed some specific items too.

God, it would be so cool to use the clocks as a lead-off and do his whole non-Herman Miller legacy. Most of this stuff is either mislabeled as Nelson or is obscure.

Anyhow, I would jump at the chance to get a book with ALL known Nelson clocks...wouldn't you?

Yeas
I'm 100% with you Barry!

2 Rare table models
I was looking through my pix and rediscovered these two photographs.

The "Shadow Clock" my late friend use to have, so I 'lived' with it for about a year. It was big and beautiful.

The second table clock I've never ever seen.

Aren't they grand...and rare as houndsteeth?

LRF...never had a chance...
My late friend, John Rothermel (who got me interested in quality design stuff) had quite a collection of Nelson clocks (not to mention the Girard living room furniture and a pair of Frankel lamps.

He sold the clocks long before he got sick. I got a number of things upon his death, but, heck, the clocks were long gone by that time!

He also had a large black wall clock. I think it was referred to as the "Hubcap" clock.

The eye clock has just...
The eye clock has just arrived, very nice quality - Weighs a lot and the materials look to be nice. I'll get some images shortly!

joel they look great I ha...
joel they look great I have almost the same ones,
I framed your poster and it looks great on my wall,

I agree LRF, bet they are...
I agree LRF, bet they are making a nice profit! However, just to line Vitra's pockets further I also agree it's worth going for that for the sake of a few more $!

I wonder why....
I wonder why White on White has such a rip-off shipping structure? I guess they're not into doing business.

Totally right, Lucifer, but
Criminey, why can't the Vitra's of the world ever have a sale?

When was the last time that Fritz Hansen or Cassina had a 1 week 25% sale?....how about never?

Herman Miller and Knoll each have their annual 10% off sale, and they act that they're doing us all a favor.

Some of these companies, while they rely on us MCM consumers, they seldom come down from their lofty perch.

I'm not in favor of knockoffs EXCEPT for when the legimate version is NOT being produced.

But, heck, it's hard to not want to save a little money sometimes.

ONE MORE THING .... I ...
ONE MORE THING .... I hate to say it .. we have all been crying about this subject since this forum started,
It is nice that the core group agrees that we do get ripped off every time we want to buy something great from these companies,
I just wish that someone heard us, It does become frustrating that we have to be such
cry babies, shame no one listens,

i hear you Barry, I ...
i hear you Barry,
I have bought over 50 thousand dollars worth of great stuff on Ebay,
I have a account with Hermna miller cause they were nice enough to open an account cause of my business and the need to buy parts from them, with out a minimum order, and that includes the furniture , you can say any thing just like me about any of these companies but HM ia a world class company and think of there customer first, on that note if you want , any think from Herman miller
I think I can order any thing for you at decent savings, and ship it to your front door,
I have bought lots from them for my house, the rest on ebay and recovered it all, and I know I saved a lot of money , and it is all vintage,
no reason the Egg chair should be $6000 from Fitz Hansen when the knock off kings make it for 800. something is not right,
I paid 1500 shot looking, and it cost 800 with fabric to redo it $2300, total vs$6500 and same fabric, with shipping, and best of all it is Fritz Hansen not Chinese crap!

LRF thats the clock I...
LRF thats the clock I bought, as I said it's nice quality. I haven't had a chance to hang it yet but will post some images once I do. I guess shipping is the only issue for you, in the UK we get heavily stung on shipping costs so I would check with them to see how much this would be?

Lucifer...you don't see the point.
In life, there's black and white and also grey in the middle.

Perhaps you're one of these either/or black or white only people who don't see the grey area in the middle.

I believe that LRF and myself are people who see this middle ground, and I get the sense you don't.

A strong argument COULD be made that it's almost as dishonest to the manufacturers to buy a used item on eBay than it would be to buy a Chinese knockoff.

For me, buying a clock for the wall is more decorative than essential, so I'm more likely to buy a knockoff. When it comes to proper furniture, I'll stick with the originals....EXCEPT when I want something that's no longer available from the real manufacturers.

I hope this serves to clarify my position and hopefully it's something you can life with.

Grey
First off: it is indeed a murky area in the middle, made especially cloudier by those things we use to rationalize decision making. For example, you say that you'll only buy an authentic piece - as long as its furniture; clocks and decorations are somehow different. LRF admits that the Chinese are pretty awful on human rights - but is still willing to buy their products because it saves money. Its all about where you draw the line.

Personally I see a very clear line drawn between the atrocities committed in the name of 'economic growth' in China and my wallet. If you showed me proof that Vitra was engaging in the same sort or rights violations I wouldn't buy their products. I guess for me other things are more important than the end result of owning a product - even an 'affordable' product.

Secondly, there is no argument at all about buying authentic products secondhand. It only reinforces the notion that authentic products are better made and have a longer lifespan. That sort of reputation is what allows the HM & Co to charger higher prices in the first place. Imagine if IKEA tried to charge high prices for crap that fell apart?

If you showed me proof that...
If you showed me proof that Vitra was engaging in the same sort or rights violations I wouldn't buy their products. I guess for me other things are more important than the end result of owning a product - even an 'affordable' product.

o k


I have no proof, since i am not a spokesman for the Vitra company but take the clock apart. I will guarantee you you will find some components that are made in China,
The thing that gets me I have been collecting Howard miller clocks for 20 years, and the movements in all the clocks are 5 dollar quartz movements all made in China or Japan or cheap land, even the finest company uses there movements simply cause they can not make them that economical,
Next you have a very small amount of raw material or product, and put that all together and you have nothing,

furniture no need to go there as we have already beat that subject to death,

movements on vitra clocks
All the movements on my vitra re-editions say they are made in Germany.... but who knows, maybe the screws are made in china. Nobody can control everything this days. It's difficult to be china-free this days... just look at your computer.... you will be amazed.

joel

All World Furniture??
James, do they have a website? In what country are you located?

Located in San Jose,...
Located in San Jose, California - Website link directly below the photo

I couldn't find them either,...
I couldn't find them either, so keep us posted, thanks

LRF
Its funny how you use the term "being human" to describe your willingness to buy a knock-off clock. You assume that "being human" means you have certain rights that you enjoy - the right to vote, the right to a safe workplace, the right to a living wage. You also have the right to post on this website, the right to engage in free speech and debate.

The workers who make your cheap ass clock dont have any of those rights. And no matter how closely the clock resembles the original, it's still made from inequality and suffering. It's pathetic that anyone would make a conscious choice to support that, simply because they have the benefit of being born in one country versus another, and simply because it saves $200.


And in case you missed the above posting: Vitra mechanisms are made in Germany.

Crikey calm down guys....
Crikey calm down guys. Everyone is allowed an opinion, I'm sure nobody agrees with Chinese trading conditions, pollution and the like but hell, most everyday items are probably made/or have components made in China. Things we can't really avoid. Anyway, here are some pics of the clock below, as I said, quality wise it is very good, certainly to look at and touch anyway.

Too right LRF - Pleased with...
Too right LRF - Pleased with it :)

Fungus Mungus i just call...
Fungus Mungus i just called all world and talk to Ricky and they said they just got a new shipment in believe me design addict victims, those are great prices for those clocks and make great Christmas gifts. I paid 125 two nights ago and it is in shipping right now or i would have cancelled and bought three for friends, I thought i was getting a good deal from white and these guys sell it for 42. (3x) like diamonds . If i did not own them all ( yes mine are all from Vitra and Howard Miller ) i had to pay the premium cause i had to have them last year )
I wish i could say Lucifersum i feel so good that i bought from Vitra made in Germany but I just can't, i just feel foolish that i blew 2 grand buying clocks that would have cost be 300.00 total and looked the same,

I would be buying these clocks for christmas presents for my self or friends . I did ask the guy on the phone the origin of the clocks since he was unpacking them when i called and they do not say any thing about China but you have to figure were would they be coming from other than there, i doubt from sunny downtown L.A. (would that make it any better if they were from downtown L.A. as that is where Moderica makes all of there stuff,

All World
All world just got a huge shipping container in and was in the process of unloading it when I was there. They are also going to have an AJ table lamp that I'd like to see the quality. The clocks are not on the website and you need to call. If it makes you feel better, look at the White on White pictures when ordering. They are open until 8pm Pacific Standard USA time.

The center of the clock is metal and what seems to be hollow balls. These clocks are not the quality of Vitra, when you buy the Vitra you get solid wood balls, German quartz, better meaterials, resell value in brand, and a level of authenticity. You can also look over a Vitra and be please with every aspect(I have had 6 Vitra and sold them). But they look good(except the too shiny Turbine, I have the Vitra to compare) and most are 1/6 the price.

http://www.allworldfurniture.com

SunBurst
I wasn't able to get close to the sunburst clock, the display was on the wall behind the counter. It did look nice.

i have a friend in Arizon...
i have a friend in Arizona who sells there products and they are trying to clean their act up big time and become real picky who they do business with and get a way from the Internet shops in favor of the old brick and morter shops,
They are a big time middleman who have connections with 10 factories in China and they do have people from the company that all they do is canvas the factories to see that this stuff is made right.
they check out the clock makers, lamp makers, chrome makers, and wood good makers, so they have a finger it all.

Shame they don't work with the United Nations on Human rights, would that be cool but you know that would never happen cause they are looking for the cheapest deal they can make,
My friend tells me after 5 years of dealing with them he has had no real problems but on occasion some stuff does come in wrong like the nelson bench was the wrong wood color, and the company made them all right, and refunded everyones money (but the funny thing was almost all the customers wanted it cause it was so good looking and did not look like the fakey blond wood reproductions it looked like a vintage Herman miller from the 50s
I thought that was a great story,
All of the Barcelona chairs were made to identical specs but i was told there is a big hold up on them as the lawsuits are beginning to fly , they call it the Pavilion chair and for the time being are not shipping that chair to the vendors (very interesting in my opinion)
You would like to think that Alphaville is the best out there as they have made a mark on trying to sell good quality reproductions. i just wish they would go visit Argentina, or Italy, to find other vendors who can make this stuff with a better reputation,

minatures
I do not collect minatures thank g-d for that
as i would have to have every one, but I did look at ebay and saw that Vitra makes them all and they seem like they sell almost for as much as the large chair, whats the deal? any one know that could be a expensive little hobby and un functional

LRF
My Wife and I are looking towards making a clock wall with the replica's(and our Vitra Turbine), we have the perfect wall to plywood(need to cover an annoyingly placed window) and hang them. I really like the way you have you clocks, they look great. I didn't see the replica block clock either, they will hopefully have that container unloaded soon and everything on diplay.

Clocks
They are nice clocks and anyone worried about ordering from them should think twice. Like I said before, look at the white on white pictures and then order them from All World. You can't lose at the quality and prices(I sound like a TV ad). A lot of the furniture they sell is not my thing, more ultra modern, but all of his classics are higher quality reproductions. They also source out stuff on their own and skip the middleman(I.E. Alphaville). Basically you can have a really nice clock wall for around $250-$300 USD. If you ever descide to sell, you could easily get your money back on Ebay at these prices.

Dig des krazy rare clocks, mon
Someone is auctioning off this ad. At least three clocks I've NEVER seen.

Cool, huh?

Boy I'll bet
that clock in the lower right corner with the fins was a bear to keep dust free.

i see that all wood ...
i see that all wood clock on ebay all the time it still goes for around 400. they really are cool,

I'm late (pun intended)
All this info is dizzy inducing. I'm actually more confused about these re-released Nelson clocks.

There's two clocks high up on my wants. Seen below...love 'em both. Originals rare. Have these been "reissued"? If not, then it's criminal they haven't! Criminal if they get a $300 price tag!

The Motion Notion (bottom) clock, can be seen several posting up in the Advert. picture.

Absolutely!
Agree with you...book is a must. Might buy two, just to tear out pic pages and hang em on the wall...lol NOT.

Clocks are way cool gnarlyness!

Both picture I copied from an NY auction house i think...

The first one, just riviting to look at the shadows, dancing around the clock. Might be a little hard to read the time.

Those clocks ARE beautiful
My friend had a wall clock with the same orange center as the second clock, but I don;'t remember then outside part being the same....there was more than one with that orange moving center.

So far, I don't think ANY of Nelson's clocks are ugly.

I have planted the seeds of the non-Herman Miller book (including all the Associates' clocks, dinnerware, fire irons, bookends, etc.) of stuff designed by George Nelson and the George nelson Associates, spotlighting the clocks.

She felt that people would not allow their clock collection to be photographed.

Heck, if she came to Minneapolis, I certainly would allow my Nelson stuff to be prefessionally photographed.

If she posted a request on thios forum, I believe a lot of people would help out.

A few years ago, Wright was going to publish a Nelson clock book.

I think they first announced it in 2003-ish They were even building hype for it, how they had access to all the Nelson Associates archives, and cooperation with Irving Harper. They were saying it was going to be the most comprehensive, definitive, reference book on Nelson clocks ever published.

And then mysteriously they abandoned the project. I wonder how far they got into it, and what made them decide to abandon it.

I have a feeling WoofWoof is ...
I have a feeling WoofWoof is right ;)

It makes sense for Wright to do it. They probably have the most comprehensive collection of self owned photographs of Nelson clocks (since they have their own photographers to take the photos .... this also would help to employ a homogeneous quality to the photography).

I just might write the book myself
I heard back from Peter Schiffer and he liked the idea of the clocks of George Nelson but had no one to write the book.
I contacted Richard Wright and talked to Linda Nagan who is in charge of books and yes they did have some data and I also talked to the archivist at Howard miller so maybe this will be my next project,
I have asked my brother who is a famous
doctor, lecture and author I am sure he will be just thrilled as we were in the process of writing our first book on "Cool Stuff" in 1998 right before he came down with a awful case of Cancer, He was one of the lucky ones to survive, and the book had to be shelved but not forgotten and and 10 years later and we are both older, but at this time he is not a modernist as my self but one smart cookie, to help me out , and be my editor, if you want to read a article that we wrote for deco echos I miss that magazine to bad that Scott could not stay focuced on that magazine as it was great,
check google under Bakelite: A Revolutionary Early Plastic
I guess you could say that was the other subject i was a expert on at one time. one reason i do not like to give my name is cause as you are all aware this is internet based as does show up in Google only when a name is posted so that is why i like to keep my name off

I forgot to mention that my...
I forgot to mention that my last job was as the art director for a nationally recognized local alternative newsweekly. I have experience with designing publications and with dealing with production, printers, etc.

If i can get my brother ...
If i can get my brother to sign on, I will do it
I think i would love to it and not for the money it is for the love of doing a great book on George Nelson and Howard miller, do not think for 1 second that i will not call or rely on each and every one of you guys to contribute something to this project,
White spike I would love to use your sevices for graphic design as I think you could come up with something great, Barry your knowledge and ideas would be great just to send me in the direction to find out what's the deal here.
My brother who is world renown in the world of Kidney disease would be a valuable tool for me since he knows how to write and edit the most complicated of books , he is not only brilliant he is a world class photographer , so if he will sign on i will do it,
I will keep every one updated as this goes down the pike as I know i can get a publisher on this great subject,

i saw that also and i t...
i saw that also and i think it is a good look
this is the stuff that i want to find out if it was designed by Howard miller staff or the nelson office, and I wonder how many different styles are out there

"Kite" lamp....Nelson?
This is the lamp I've had for years and I saw someone sell it on eBay as the George nelson "Kite" lamp from Howard Miller.

Is it Nelson?

It's sitting on my Nelson Typewriting desk.

I LOVE the half Nelson lamp...
I LOVE the half Nelson lamp and shall be buying one soon, anyone got one on here?

i got my clock from all ...
i got my clock from all world and it is really nice it is the sunburst spike. for 42 bucks and 15 bucks shipping (such a unreal price considering that White sells it for $125.00 and 25 to ship.)
I bought one on ebay 2 years ago from a company by the name of Perigglo for 95.00 for my daughters room and it is junk compared to this one .
That one was wood spikes and white plastic center, this one is exactly like my vitra clock that i got in NYC at their store and it amazes me, it is perfect in size, and color, some one did a great job,
I do not consider these clocks to be ripped off fakes at all , no more than the vitras are ripped off from Howard Miller.
I just looks at it as a nice reissue , it is ok with me they do not have the paper tag that says Vitra Design Museum like my other one says, it says nothing at all and best of all not one word of where it was made, (who knows maybe Jersey City ) judging from the size of this thread and i can say it has been one of the most popular one in a long time,
I think every one has enjoyed one form or the other on this subject.

barry
i have never seen that Nelson kite before but it looks really cool it says Herman miller made it,

James said that the turbine clock was the only one that did not look that good he said that it seemed a little shiny
i have never seen the vitra or the original so i would have no idea how it is suppose to be,
i talked to those guys and they said they were going to order the blue block clock but it takes 4 months from their vendor, so that should make all the ones that vitra makes available to them also
that multi color spike and eye clock are great

Hmmm, the original eye clock...
Hmmm, the original eye clock looks a little more "wide open" than the repro ones we've been talking about. The first pic is a White on White from earlier in this thread (via Nick R60) and the second is the original from Wright Auction house.

Doth mien eyes deceive me? Wright says the dimensions should be 29.5 w x 2.5 d x 15 h inches -- do the repros conform to these dimensions? Anyone who's got one want to measure?

I have never seen that Nelson kite before but it looks really cool it says Herman miller made it,
The lamp has no markings whatsoever, and for years, I didn't know who was behind it, but there's a couple of possible clues.

The fabric is lined with the similar plastic material as is on the bubble lamps, right down to how easy it cracks. The chain has a small wooden ball as the handle, reminding one of the ball clock.

It's difficult, since I don't think any of his attributed lamps (this Kite Lamp, the Helmet lamp, the half-Nelson) were made by the same company.

It is interesting that most of the better furniture designers didn't get too much into lightning, other than Arne Jacobsen and Alver Aalto.

Also, too, is the fact that neither Knoll or Herman Miller got too involved with lighting, either.

By the way, I did a search and found something on the Nelson Kite Lamp
http://www.organicorigin.co.uk/lighting_details.asp?productp...

james
There you go even Vitra the holy grail changes things up when they see fit, nothing surprises me
everyone wants to make things better and more efficient
If you want the original on any thing from Knoll, Herman
Miller, Vitra, you will just have to buy the 50 year old ones at wright auctions.

Slack Jawed
Barry...why didn't you post this earler? That's one crazy looking clock! Is there a name for this clock or model number? For now, I'll call it the record clock.

brbeard - My clock measures...
brbeard - My clock measures W76 * D7 * H34cm which is the same as the Vitra editions.

Another weird Meridian clock plus a lamp
Check these out...never seen either of these.

I believe the Meridian's were Nelson
If I'm not wrong, all of the Meridian clocks are ceramic, designed by Nelson & Associates and made in Italy.

I believe that they were distributed by Howard Miller. I may be wrong, but the hands and overall high-quality style screams Nelson.

And probably the best example of the Bitossi-Nelson relationship....


...is this Bitossi side table, which is utilizes the same ceramic disk as the blue Meridian clock above:



http://www.antiquehelper.com/item.php?itemID=10019

does any one have any id...
does any one have any idea how i can get a set of clock hands made for a meridan clock just like the picture above this one or know anyone who can make me a set

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LRF... Making copies of...
LRF...

Making copies of clock hands can't be hard. Easiest DIY route would be a sheet of aluminum or steel from a local home improvement store. Trace the shape, use Sheet metal scissors to cut out slightly outside tracing. Sand smooth edges. Give a couple coats of flat black enamel spray paint (or whatever color). Actual job shouldn't take more than an hour with the paint adding another intermittent 1/2 hour.


Tricky part is getting the right size hole drilled. Too big, and it won't move. Better small.

James...that's good to know
That means that even if you buy a knockoff, you can probably get parts from Vitra.

Some rare Nelson clocks....
Some from this post and some from somewhere else....

http://blueantstudio.blogspot.com/

I got some more...
This can get really long... I keep finding more and more!

http://blueantstudio.blogspot.com/

Joel super
Joel these are great and with a great graphic artist like you i would love to see a cool poster and a cool calender , bigger than your other poster and I would like mine to be signed Number 1

for you other addicts if you do not know Joel is by far one of the most talented graphic designers i have seen I love his poster, I wonder if you have to get some kinda clarance from Howard Miller or the Nelson estate on these for a great poster Vitra style, if you know what I mean,

thought 3
I an really getting more curious than anything
I wonder if the 10 Vitra choice to re introduce like the kite,eye,spike,ball,astrick,steering wheel,turbine,block, spindle and several different color variations how that all came about? and why they made those and left some other great ones behind,

WoofWoof
yes with Pam Anderson holding the clocks right?