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I am starting a new thread as it does get a little tiring when it goes to 100. hard on the finger mouse.
I personally can not remember any thread being as popular as this thread other than the vase project,
I think we all have something to say and contribute on this subject, simple, but fun and interesting.
I would like to thank every one who contributes and adds comments to this thread about Nelson clocks cause it is always interesting and you can learn something all the time,
This thread is also like a free for all for some reason .
it would be nice if Patrick and Alix our gracious host who provide us with this wonderful forum out of the kindness of there hearts ( like being invited to there home in Belgium eating great chocolate's in their living room, would add a column so we could all add our own favorite thoughts and bull shit ( no no no not a blog ) just your favorite thoughts and ideas in addition to the threads .
You can read the previous thread 'More about Nelson Clocks 2' here:
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm?7...
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Is this clock worth $225.00?
What'd'ya think?
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i think that it is worth ...
i think that it is worth that looks like a good clock the hands are nelson
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hmm, I don't think so -- I'd...
hmm, I don't think so -- I'd imagine it's a Howard Miller clock from the post-Nelson era (i.e., 70s). Still using the Nelson hands, but otherwise fairly boring. What's the clock face made out of (or covered in)? I remember you talking about the clock earlier and I noticed that it wasn't on ebay...did you buy it?
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It is a bit boring and thats what I like about it.250.00 is not cheap...I have a feeling its just the hands you like,if thats the case dont buy it.
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be happier with it if the frame completed itself at the top -- or if, conversely, the bottom of the frame were omitted as well ?
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Last time I looked...
...it was still on eBay as a 'buy it now'. It's not too exciting. I think the clock face is a wood panel like the rest of it. Well made but understated, to be sure.
And the godd*mn thing about who made it is since idiot publishers like Schiffer won't allow a book to be written, who the heck knows when Nelson Associates actually stopped working with Howard Miller?
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i have looked at that ...
i have looked at that clock several times and i agree with my comrades it is not that cool
If it did not have the hands we would not have given it a second look
anyone know any thing a bout the aurora clock
this guys says he makes them and sells them for 450.00 kinda pricey if you ask me
none the less i have enclosed the link he calls his company chrono art clocks
http://www.chronoart.com/
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Ha - I thought the Roman...
Ha - I thought the Roman Digital clock (in LRF's link) was pretty funny.
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any one have any idea
AS we are all aware there are 100's of different style Howard miller clocks from 1955 to 1975 out there
any one have any idea if Howard miller was precluded from producing any clocks with the nelson hands other than the clocks that came out of the nelson design office???
I can not believe that clock that Barry posted from ebay
would be a Nelson original (just seems like not his style)
with the pendelom and the wood.
Of course I am only speculating and have no direct information but something must have happened between the Nelson office and Howard Miller for all those great designs just to be come extinct,
Now i do know that Howard miller did retain some rights to the ball clock and astrick as they not only reproduced them starting in 2002 they also made them in 1983 with the current quartz movement but that was short lived, according to company sources that i have talked to, so if you see any other nelson quartz clocks with the Howard miller sticker on them they were from the short lived period of the 80's
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Barry
I have to get a good customer a gift and they love my vitra steering wheel clock
i know you ordered one from all world and spoke about it. with the tape on the markers,
what do you think worth ordering one? or order something else for the same price???
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holy moly look at me,
check this one out on ebay a brass astrick from 1955 with a wooden back .. the Dude wants 1000 bucks for it, so i guess it is real if not, it is his issue ...
I have never seen this one in brass, or listed in any of the modern auction houses, what do you think the number for your viewing on ebay is 290197913517 . oh yes he already has drawn a bid ,
are you out there midmod50 ? this could be one you! If you do not have in your collection if you do perhaps you can enlighten us about this one,
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Lloyd:
Yea, I saw the clock. He said it's been 'refinished' (i.e. repainted), so I pointed out that the clock was hardly worth $400.00 these days.
Also, regarding the clocks I got from AllWorld, the Steering Wheel is my least favorite of the clocks I ordered friom All World. With white walls, the silver hands are difficult to see...they should've been painted black.
I don't remember how well the marking on the wheel were originally, but the markings here are just sticky tape. Still, worth the $42.00
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lafonada chairs
270203459924 Here is the number for someone who has listed two lafonda chairs with H bases and says they have no idea what they are,
If you just need the chairs and have the stands they would be good to go after
If i needed them I would pay up to 150 for both , as a lafonda stand will resurface some time, on ebay, and then you would have a set,
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barrympls
thanks barry
i will get one for him for his bday
you can spray paint those hands
I tried to paint a real howard miller set the other day with gold shiny paint and they came out horrible. I was so pissed they look so bad i scraped all the old paint off and ordered a new set from Vitra,
That shiny metallic paint has so much clear enamel in it it is hard to bond to the tin that they make the hands
out of so use a flat black that has no clear enamel. and they will turn out great,
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Zoo Timers
Got a copy of the brochure....two clocks not picked up by Vitra
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those are great clocks 17....
those are great clocks 17.95 for battery that is what they should cost today cause the movement is only 5 bucks
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I like the sheep! Thanks for the pictures.
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About that Howard Miller "Mavado" clock
I got it today and even though it's not a Nelson clock, it sure looks nice next to my computer monitor!
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Drum Roll
This is my all time favorite clock i got this clock
20 years ago have replaced the motor twice have bought as many as 5 on ebay so to say the least I love this clock it is my favorite all time clock that i have ever bought
I first remember this clock when i was 7 years old 50 years ago, my Dad took me downtown with him
and we went into a office of a fellow rich oilman
and i saw the clock sitting on the table.
I was only seven but was so intrigued that it was such a cool clock and actually dreamed about it for years how cool it was.
fast forward 25 years and i saw it at a flee market and I bought it , only for it to go bad a week later, that started my long love affair with clocks cause i found the company that was still making them and i got a motor and installed it my self and bought so many over the years and now on ebay you can get them from 30 to 60 and they are easy to fix
here is who made them but Time savers in Scottsdale Arizoia still sell the parts.
Jefferson "Golden Hour" Clock
The "Golden Hour" clock made by the Jefferson Electric Company of Bellwood, IL in the mid-1950's is the most often seen of the various mystery clocks and certainly one of the best looking.
The single glass disk has a toothed metal rim that is driven by a motor in the base. The minute hand rotates with this disk. A gear train drives the hour hand. Crucial to making this system to work without a separate, immobile mount for the gear train is a small weight behind the glass. When new, this system worked well, but with wear and dirt the weight tends to follow the minute hand around until friction is overcome, and the hour hand will jump around wildly, and lose or gain hours, as it sees fit.the other thing the glass does get loose and it has to be reglued and that can be a mess that also cause the clock to run fast
Golden Hour clocks used radioactive radium paint on the hands and numerals.
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i have a original astrick ...
i have a original astrick clock by Nelson from the 50s
and I really never looked at that much,
While rearranging all my clocks I noticed that the traditional triangle/arrow head that is the hour hand on most of the nelson clocks has been switched on this clock to be the minute hand on the astrick clock and on that clock is a streight hand for the hour hour.
I really never even noticed it but when i put it in front of me after having it at the back of the room it really is different, and makes wonder what was he thinking ,
The Astrick as most of you know is by far one of Nelson most recognizable clocks next to the ball clock.and now reproduced by Vitra,
I did buy two years ago a new reissue by Howard Miller that I keep out in the warehouse, that i have found out is no longer in their line but they reversed the hands to make the arrow head hand the hour hand. and the straight hand the minute,
I guess they did not want to pay a license fee to the Nelson estate so they made up their own version, but for some reason it was jerked from the line. any one have any idea what this is all about .
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Schiffer's lack of interest and my reply:
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Schiffer
To: barry mn
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:57 AM
Subject: your book proposal
Dear Mr. Margolis,
Thank you for your email. We have been wrong before and will probably be wrong again. However, with that said, we do not see a wide enough buying audience. If you fell you can commit to buying and selling a good number of copies, let?s talk.
Sincerely,
Peter B. Schiffer
Schiffer Publishing Ltd
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Peter:
George Nelson was one of the absolute giants of design between 1946 and his death, and most of his stuff for Herman Miller is well documented.
What is NOT documented, however, is the 100-200 beautiful clocks he designed for Howard Miller, and the other odd pieces designed for Howard Miller (including planters, wall dividers, the ribbon wall ceiling hanging system, wall mounted vanities and desk, as well as spice cabinets.
He also designed a line of melmac dinnerware for Prolon. Also fireplace andirons, jax bookends, lamps, not to mention the famous Bubble Lamps.
These have not been properly presented in any form, and I think such a book would sell as well as any of your Herman Miller or Knoll books.
I can't understand why you're not excited about a book project that would fit in perfectly with your many other post-WWII American designs.
The clocks would, of course, be the lead item in selling the book; right now, even the ugliest of his wall clocks are selling on eBay for over $350.00 each. Even ones with non-working movements. Vitra has only reissued a tiny handful of the clocks made for Howard Miller between 1946 and about 1970.
Please reconsider. I would not be the writer, but I'm working with a fellow in Tulsa who's compiling a database of beautiful color photographs of as many items as possible. I have a quality reprint 12" 6 page brochure of the other non clock items available by Nelson for Howard Miller.
I guarantee that this book will be the talk of the town in the design world, and I think it's most appropriate for Schiffer to be the publisher.
Barry Margolis
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great letter barry keep me...
great letter barry keep me informed either through DA or my home email
thanks
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have you noticed how many of these clocks have surfaced on ebay lately like some one said time to sell
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I've said the same thing myself LRF. For the past year and 1/2 I've watched these show up on the regular. They must have had a high production run. I expect more to comeout of wood work too. Glad I've held off this long. Too bad the rarer Nelson clocks don't hit the market this often...you never know.
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This desk clock was clearly
one of the best selling, longest in production Howard Miller Nelson Clock.
I'm kinda surprised so many have come out of the woodwork...maybe I can score one.
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clock looks it was designe...
clock looks like it was designed for the brutilist style of architecture,
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kinda surprised so many...
kinda surprised so many have come out of the woodwork...maybe I can score one.
they seem to bring a good price even for the broken ones
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Nelson desk and asterisk clocks...
The round chronopak desk clock may be the second most common Howard Miller/Nelson clock out there (after the ball clock and I guess maybe the spike clock). There are also surprising varations on it over time, including slight changes to the face and those that are battery powered. I also think some may have been manufactured in Germany, but I'm not sure about that. Any information others might have on that subject would be appreciated.
The brass asterisk clock is also a nice one, but the one on ebay looks too perfect not to be at least refinished. I prefer to let the brass on my clocks tarnish a bit. For instance, the old turbine clocks look much more industrial (and in my opinion coooler) than the newly made Vitra ones.
Barry, that was a very good letter to Schiffer, and I hope the project gets off the ground. I'll be in touch. After attending to my day job out of town the past week, I'll also try to upload a few pictures of my clocks to the website shortly. However, is there some way to do it without posting to the web? I have several pics, but it seems the only way to post a picture is to link to it.
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MidMod...what I do is
I have a free account at photobucket.com. It's amazing easy to upload pix from your computer to photobucket, size them down to website and click the direct link and copy it to the "associated web images" below.
http://www.photobucket.com
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mid mod
i to am looking forward to viewing your clocks as they will be more than a main stay in the book of Nelson that i am currently collecting data for , I already have the photographer and his Hassblat camera on call, it is just in what direction I want to take this book in , any suggestions anybody, I do know that it will have a beginning a middle and a end,
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saw this on ebay they say...
saw this on ebay they say it is a nelson from the Netherlands looks like a nelson one but looks kinda weird any one seen this one before
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Don't see that one, Lloyd
can you send the link? It doesn't look much like a Nelson, but it could be.
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cant find the link it was on the european side and i have searched just one of those lucky ones i found and now i cannot,
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I don't think that's a Nelson
I believe I have all of the Howard Miller catalogs from the time period and have a pretty good index of what's out there, including a complete set of Interiors Magazine, which cataloged many of them in ads (though there are always new clocks popping up). I don't recognize those hands as Nelson, and the rest of the clock looks related to or derivative of some of his designs, but not exactly the same.
I sent LRF some pictures of my clocks, but still haven't figured out how to post them to the site. I will see if I can figure it out this weekend. In the meantime, has anyone here seen a Nelson CSS clock? I don't mean the panel that has a clock and barometer, but an actual piece of wood with Nelson clock hands and hour markers attached to a piece of wood. It appeared on ebay recently, and I went ahead and purchased it. It looks legit and has inlaid hour markers in addition to the normal Nelson markers. Regardless, it's very cool, as my twin obsessions are CSS and Nelson clocks.
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I've never seen a CSS...
I've never seen a CSS clock...or knew such a thing existed. Could you post a link to the completed ebay auction?
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Just won this ugly
Nelson clock for $30.77!
That's so cheap...worth the price to get the hands, isn't it?
I have a theory that Howard Miller wasn't allowed to use the Nelson hands after their relationship ended.
I think Nelson Associates continued to make more mondaine clocks towards the end.
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I DID see a CSS clock
It was being sold on eBay as part of a large CSS group. It was a wood panel with the standard wall mount clock works built into the panel and the panel had side metal attachments so it could be positioned on the poles.
Stupid, bloody me...I didn't pinch the picture of it.
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MidMod50
feel free to email me directly (barrymn1@msn.com) and I'll give you step by step instructions on how to post pictures here using the free photobucket website.
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anybody thing this is a ...
anybody think this is a real nelson ?
this guy on ebay things it is, i have never seen anything like it or even close, no stickers, what do you think, Will? you have the largest collection and probably know the most about these clocks.
the other clock is on first dips for 950 and i think it is cool as hell looks like old eero saarinen came over to Georges studio in the 50s and help design this one
look at the tulip stand too cool! the hands and inside are great , and i think 950 is a ok price even if it is on first dibs love to own this one ,
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I have seen the 1st clock,
Lloyd, and it's been listed as a Nelson clock. I believe it is.
The second isn't, of course.
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i bought this on ebay ton...
i bought this on ebay tonight i like the merdians
I will either put the hands from the turban, spindle
or the big sunflower clock on it since i do not have the original ones,
I wish i could get a set of the originals , i have all three sets that i have bought from Vitra, but have no idea what would look the coolest, I have seen lots of the meridan clocks at the modern show in NYC last year and i was surprise how many hands they used on them,
Of course on all the bitsoui blues and other ones they used the orginal ones , but so many of the other ones they used either the big almond hands found on the turbine or the triangle hands found on the eye spindle and the hands found on the big sunflower what would you use,
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