More about Nelson clocks 3
I am starting a new thread as it does get a little tiring when it goes to 100. hard on the finger mouse.
I personally can not remember any thread being as popular as this thread other than the vase project,
I think we all have something to say and contribute on this subject, simple, but fun and interesting.
I would like to thank every one who contributes and adds comments to this thread about Nelson clocks cause it is always interesting and you can learn something all the time,
This thread is also like a free for all for some reason .
it would be nice if Patrick and Alix our gracious host who provide us with this wonderful forum out of the kindness of there hearts ( like being invited to there home in Belgium eating great chocolate's in their living room, would add a column so we could all add our own favorite thoughts and bull shit ( no no no not a blog ) just your favorite thoughts and ideas in addition to the threads .

You can read the previous thread 'More about Nelson Clocks 2' here:
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm?7...

i think that it is worth ...
i think that it is worth that looks like a good clock the hands are nelson

hmm, I don't think so -- I'd...
hmm, I don't think so -- I'd imagine it's a Howard Miller clock from the post-Nelson era (i.e., 70s). Still using the Nelson hands, but otherwise fairly boring. What's the clock face made out of (or covered in)? I remember you talking about the clock earlier and I noticed that it wasn't on ebay...did you buy it?

I'd
be happier with it if the frame completed itself at the top -- or if, conversely, the bottom of the frame were omitted as well ?

i have looked at that ...
i have looked at that clock several times and i agree with my comrades it is not that cool
If it did not have the hands we would not have given it a second look


anyone know any thing a bout the aurora clock
this guys says he makes them and sells them for 450.00 kinda pricey if you ask me
none the less i have enclosed the link he calls his company chrono art clocks

http://www.chronoart.com/

any one have any idea
AS we are all aware there are 100's of different style Howard miller clocks from 1955 to 1975 out there
any one have any idea if Howard miller was precluded from producing any clocks with the nelson hands other than the clocks that came out of the nelson design office???
I can not believe that clock that Barry posted from ebay
would be a Nelson original (just seems like not his style)
with the pendelom and the wood.
Of course I am only speculating and have no direct information but something must have happened between the Nelson office and Howard Miller for all those great designs just to be come extinct,
Now i do know that Howard miller did retain some rights to the ball clock and astrick as they not only reproduced them starting in 2002 they also made them in 1983 with the current quartz movement but that was short lived, according to company sources that i have talked to, so if you see any other nelson quartz clocks with the Howard miller sticker on them they were from the short lived period of the 80's

holy moly look at me,
check this one out on ebay a brass astrick from 1955 with a wooden back .. the Dude wants 1000 bucks for it, so i guess it is real if not, it is his issue ...
I have never seen this one in brass, or listed in any of the modern auction houses, what do you think the number for your viewing on ebay is 290197913517 . oh yes he already has drawn a bid ,
are you out there midmod50 ? this could be one you! If you do not have in your collection if you do perhaps you can enlighten us about this one,

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lafonada chairs
270203459924 Here is the number for someone who has listed two lafonda chairs with H bases and says they have no idea what they are,
If you just need the chairs and have the stands they would be good to go after
If i needed them I would pay up to 150 for both , as a lafonda stand will resurface some time, on ebay, and then you would have a set,

Zoo Timers
Got a copy of the brochure....two clocks not picked up by Vitra

Sheep
I like the sheep! Thanks for the pictures.

Drum Roll
This is my all time favorite clock i got this clock
20 years ago have replaced the motor twice have bought as many as 5 on ebay so to say the least I love this clock it is my favorite all time clock that i have ever bought
I first remember this clock when i was 7 years old 50 years ago, my Dad took me downtown with him
and we went into a office of a fellow rich oilman
and i saw the clock sitting on the table.
I was only seven but was so intrigued that it was such a cool clock and actually dreamed about it for years how cool it was.
fast forward 25 years and i saw it at a flee market and I bought it , only for it to go bad a week later, that started my long love affair with clocks cause i found the company that was still making them and i got a motor and installed it my self and bought so many over the years and now on ebay you can get them from 30 to 60 and they are easy to fix
here is who made them but Time savers in Scottsdale Arizoia still sell the parts.

Jefferson "Golden Hour" Clock


The "Golden Hour" clock made by the Jefferson Electric Company of Bellwood, IL in the mid-1950's is the most often seen of the various mystery clocks and certainly one of the best looking.

The single glass disk has a toothed metal rim that is driven by a motor in the base. The minute hand rotates with this disk. A gear train drives the hour hand. Crucial to making this system to work without a separate, immobile mount for the gear train is a small weight behind the glass. When new, this system worked well, but with wear and dirt the weight tends to follow the minute hand around until friction is overcome, and the hour hand will jump around wildly, and lose or gain hours, as it sees fit.the other thing the glass does get loose and it has to be reglued and that can be a mess that also cause the clock to run fast

Golden Hour clocks used radioactive radium paint on the hands and numerals.

i have a original astrick ...
i have a original astrick clock by Nelson from the 50s
and I really never looked at that much,
While rearranging all my clocks I noticed that the traditional triangle/arrow head that is the hour hand on most of the nelson clocks has been switched on this clock to be the minute hand on the astrick clock and on that clock is a streight hand for the hour hour.
I really never even noticed it but when i put it in front of me after having it at the back of the room it really is different, and makes wonder what was he thinking ,
The Astrick as most of you know is by far one of Nelson most recognizable clocks next to the ball clock.and now reproduced by Vitra,
I did buy two years ago a new reissue by Howard Miller that I keep out in the warehouse, that i have found out is no longer in their line but they reversed the hands to make the arrow head hand the hour hand. and the straight hand the minute,
I guess they did not want to pay a license fee to the Nelson estate so they made up their own version, but for some reason it was jerked from the line. any one have any idea what this is all about .

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great letter barry keep me...
great letter barry keep me informed either through DA or my home email

thanks
LRF

Wild
I've said the same thing myself LRF. For the past year and 1/2 I've watched these show up on the regular. They must have had a high production run. I expect more to comeout of wood work too. Glad I've held off this long. Too bad the rarer Nelson clocks don't hit the market this often...you never know.

Speaking of weird clocks
I rather like this strange clock whose face appears to be made of concrete (clearly not a Nelson clock, but cool 1960's nonetheless).
http://cgi.ebay.com/Modern-Earth-Wall-Clock-Eames-George-Nem...

kinda surprised so many...

kinda surprised so many have come out of the woodwork...maybe I can score one.


they seem to bring a good price even for the broken ones

MidMod...what I do is
I have a free account at photobucket.com. It's amazing easy to upload pix from your computer to photobucket, size them down to website and click the direct link and copy it to the "associated web images" below.
http://www.photobucket.com

saw this on ebay they say...
saw this on ebay they say it is a nelson from the Netherlands looks like a nelson one but looks kinda weird any one seen this one before
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cant find the link it was ...
cant find the link it was on the european side and i have searched just one of those lucky ones i found and now i cannot,

I don't think that's a Nelson
I believe I have all of the Howard Miller catalogs from the time period and have a pretty good index of what's out there, including a complete set of Interiors Magazine, which cataloged many of them in ads (though there are always new clocks popping up). I don't recognize those hands as Nelson, and the rest of the clock looks related to or derivative of some of his designs, but not exactly the same.

I sent LRF some pictures of my clocks, but still haven't figured out how to post them to the site. I will see if I can figure it out this weekend. In the meantime, has anyone here seen a Nelson CSS clock? I don't mean the panel that has a clock and barometer, but an actual piece of wood with Nelson clock hands and hour markers attached to a piece of wood. It appeared on ebay recently, and I went ahead and purchased it. It looks legit and has inlaid hour markers in addition to the normal Nelson markers. Regardless, it's very cool, as my twin obsessions are CSS and Nelson clocks.

Just won this ugly
Nelson clock for $30.77!

That's so cheap...worth the price to get the hands, isn't it?

I have a theory that Howard Miller wasn't allowed to use the Nelson hands after their relationship ended.

I think Nelson Associates continued to make more mondaine clocks towards the end.

MidMod50
feel free to email me directly ([email protected]) and I'll give you step by step instructions on how to post pictures here using the free photobucket website.

anybody thing this is a ...
anybody think this is a real nelson ?
this guy on ebay things it is, i have never seen anything like it or even close, no stickers, what do you think, Will? you have the largest collection and probably know the most about these clocks.

the other clock is on first dips for 950 and i think it is cool as hell looks like old eero saarinen came over to Georges studio in the 50s and help design this one
look at the tulip stand too cool! the hands and inside are great , and i think 950 is a ok price even if it is on first dibs love to own this one ,
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i bought this on ebay ton...
i bought this on ebay tonight i like the merdians
I will either put the hands from the turban, spindle
or the big sunflower clock on it since i do not have the original ones,
I wish i could get a set of the originals , i have all three sets that i have bought from Vitra, but have no idea what would look the coolest, I have seen lots of the meridan clocks at the modern show in NYC last year and i was surprise how many hands they used on them,
Of course on all the bitsoui blues and other ones they used the orginal ones , but so many of the other ones they used either the big almond hands found on the turbine or the triangle hands found on the eye spindle and the hands found on the big sunflower what would you use,
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I really never imagined this...
I really never imagined this thread would become so popular when I originally started it!

These clocks are very cool too, designed by Corchia and deHarak for Kirsch/Hamilton - It's called the Aurora. Most of you have probably seen it anyway, I believe it's in the Moma.

nick
every one loves the clocks for some reason they are by far the most popular of all the mid century cool stuff,

There's a guy on eBay
selling two of the most unattractive clocks attributed to Nelson Associates.

He shows a small photocopy of a pamphlet showing these two clocks, and they're only $200.00 each buy it now, but jeez, they're plain.

This guy's also selling a detroyed Nelson basic chest with the finish nearly all off and all of the hardware missing.

Salvation Army comes to eBay.
http://search.ebay.com/nelson-clock_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfposZ52...

I bought this clock for ...
I bought this clock for 56.00
Barry felt it was not a real nelson/miller
Will said he had one and it was ;
This is a picture that i found I believe it is the real mcCoy not a bad deal
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And now a personal note ...
And now a personal note on Howard Miller
Most every one who reads this thread is a big fan
of Howard Miller/ George Nelson clocks
but have you ever stopped to look at the clocks this once great company puts out now? what i would call
butt ugly, I can not believe after looking at the ebay website how ugly they are, now i know as well as you, not everyone in the world loves MODERN but every one needs a clock and some of the clocks that this once great company makes are just plain ugly!!!,
Go to the Target website at least the sick Michael Graves can come out with some really great looking clocks, similiar in Taste to George Nelson, It is no wonder that every MCM fan is trying to get a great vintage Miller clock on ebay , cause i would not give 10 bucks for some of the crap that they have coming out now,

I now think it was a smart move of the Nelson Estate to get as far as away from Howard Miller as they can. With Georges timeless designs it takes someone like Vitra to appreciate them and know what their customers want.

Spindle clock...
One of the sellers on ebay has an original spindle clock for sale. I would be interested except he only takes check or money order. No way am I spending that kind of money and not going through paypal or pay with a credit card...because if you are screwed by a crooked seller then you have no recourse if you pay with check or money order.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Howard-Miller-George-Nelson-Wall-Clock-m...

Cloudburst; I never
had any problem paying with PayPal, despite all of the attitudes towards their fees. When I pay, it takes whatever money I might have in the PayPal account (if I sold something) and then pulls the difference right out of my bank account. Totally safe and secure.

PayPal was such a good service that eBay bought them awhile back.

I wouldn't worry about them....although if you are nervous about PayPal, here's a suggestion; open up a second checking account at your bank and connect up PayPal with that second account. You can then transfer money from your primary account into your second account to cover any PayPal purchases, if for some reason, you're nervous about connecting up your primary account with PayPal.

Yea, I agree....
but there's so few places to find these clocks that the sellers got us by the ole short-hairs.

Tri-state Antiques have had some for sale, but their prices are high and gosh only knows how much they charge for shipping.
http://tri-stateantiques.com/

If I had to guess I would...
If I had to guess I would say that Mrs. Nelson is not receiving any compensation for the re-issues. I have talked to her personally and she is very quick to give credit to the designers that worked in the Nelson office for their contributions. I can't imagine that she would want/need anything from the new productions. The Nelson Office archives where donated to Vitra and Syracuse University after George Nelson died. If she was after the almighty dollar she probably could have sold the original prints, letters, and artifacts for quite a tidy sum.

Even if she did accept a percentage would that be so bad? Alot of negativity/bad manners on this board lately.

Clocks & Norm
Anyone know if vitra had to get the OK from Howard Miller to make the clocks? Norm, where did you get to meet Jacqueline Nelson?

James:
My best guess is that once the arrangement between Howard Miller and George Nelson Associates ended - and it ended DURING Nelson's lifetime - Howard Miller lost all rights to produce Nelson product without some sort of new contract.

What probably explains why their ball clock is "adapted" from the original and is not listed as being an exact reproduction.

Did you read my entire post?...
Did you read my entire post? It was a guess, just a feeling, like maybe she didn't really need any more money. Foreign concept, I know. Not everyone on this earth is driven entirely by green.

Funny Concept
Thank you Norm! finally, someone who agrees that money isnt the most important thing in the world!

When I got my first Eames LCW I had just gotten out of college. I had a job freelancing artwork and working a crappy $9/hr retail job. I ate Macaroni and Cheese almost every night of the week. At the time an Eames LCW cost $550 - which was a full months rent. Or a Student Loan payment. I hemmed and hawed about it for almost 2 months before deciding it was something I really wanted to have. I slapped down the money I had saved up and as soon as I got the chair I forgot all the worry, all the pain in the ass. The chair has proven infinitely more pleasing than sitting on the cash would have been.

It seems like a funny concept to some people, but really money is just money...sometimes you've got it, sometimes you dont. If you put in a little hard work you can always get more. Plain and simple.

Lloyd
that clock you got for $56.00 is the real deal! One of the later, probably Arthur Ubanoff (spelt right?) clocks from the later Nelson Associates grouping.

this is a cool poster ...
this is a cool poster that i found i have one of the clocks I wish i could find all of them they were designed by Arthur Ubanoff look at his distinctive orange hands they were great
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Got this one on eBay recently
repainted hands, but otherwise A-OK.

Sorry bout the tiny picture but the seller took the photographs off after the saale and I'm too lazy to snap a new one.

looks like it might be ...
looks like it might be from Arthur Umanoff.era
he did wonderful stuff

...and all
missing second hands

I just emailed LRF a picture...
I just emailed LRF a picture of the second table (pizza version) the other day. I was too lazy to post it here. Really wish I didn't have to use photobucket every time I want to post a picture. I fail at least 3 times out of 5...

Anyway, I was in contact with a guy who had the Nelson pizza clock and matching table for sale. The tables were supposedly sold by Raymor, but not sure if there was ever a designer involved. At least I don't think Nelson had anything to do with the tables...

jesgord
i guess we could make our own just buy the clock with no hands on ebay and get a table made and you will have a cool one

meridian ceramic clock
Re. Meridian Clocks...not once a week! I've been looking for a solid clean one in beautiful blue with a battery operated movement for some time...none in blue in over a year that weren't compromised in some way.

to lrf
i saw a mid 60's meridian howard miller catalog that had the roman numeral on block variant of the ball clock. its the real deal.

Turbine and multi Ball
Got two more clocks from All World; the 30" diameter Turbine clock and the multi-colored Ball Clock.

Both are nifty, and since I'm using them as wall art, it doesn't matter if they're Vitra or Howard Miller, as long as they're well made.

The Turbine is a honey.

Won 2, lose 1
Here's two cool clocks I recently won on eBay, followed by a beautiful 'Horse' clock, which I did not win.

The plastic one is surely Arthur Umanoff, and the other two are Meridian Ceramic clocks...the clock faces are from Italy.

Nice, huh?

if this company gets a...
if this company gets a spindle clock - i am buying! how much was the turbine?

here are a few clocks ...
here are a few clocks that i got at the Palm Springs show they are very 70's with oak wood and different faces, I will never own as many as Barry
but i do have a few. I think they are a lot of fun,
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i have 25 nelson howard mi...
i have 25 nelson howard miller clocks and about 20 other clocks, including the fdr,the will rodgers, major bolls,joe louis, and 15 cowboy clocks, been doing this for around 15 years,

Nelson Chronopak clock
I have seen alot of talk about the Geo. Nelson Chronopak Desk clock on this sight. I have looked and looked but have only found 1 auction for the clock but lots of auctions for the repos. I recently bought one it is a battery powered model which I have not seen online. I am looking to sell it poss. on ebay. Anyone with info on what these are going for? Thanks J