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Sonneman's reissued the Trienalle lamp
SM-3636-01M - Sonneman Treluci Floor Lamp - Polished Chrome
Click to View Larger Image
Manufacturer: Sonneman
Code: SM-3636-01M
Price: $1,251.00
Cost: $1,390.00
Basket Total: $1,251.00
Quantity in Basket: None
I'm gonna buy one, I think.
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Lost City Arts:
Reproduction Trienalle Floorlamp
Faithful reproduction of Gino Sarfatti´s iconic floor lamp for Arredoluce. Tripod base with three fully adjustable arms, and conical shades. Shades and corresponding handles available in a variety of colors. Chrome or brass lamps available. 62" H center.
$ 3600
*Lost City Arts Custom Production
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18-Jan-08 |
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Is this a copy not a...
Is this a copy not a reissue ...can he (RE)issue something he did not issue in the first place?it looks pretty good...that lamp was/is an important classic.
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posted by azurechicken
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18-Jan-08 |
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Lost City Arts
has knocked it off too.
I believe it's out of copyright; the company out of business and I don't think any of Sarfatti's heirs care, either.
The Sonneman's the least expensive, and they are a major lighting company, so you can bet it's well made.
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posted by barrympls
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18-Jan-08 |
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Website
What website is selling it?
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posted by barrympls
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19-Jan-08 |
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barry
robert sonomon was one of the greatest American light designers of the 20 century he was very much a head of his time , as not that many American designers of lights in the early 60s as most were coming out of Denmark and Italy, and other parts of Europe,
Sononmon sold his company in the early 90s and i personally don't feel that the new company has kept pace with the great designs that he helped bring to market in the 60 and 70s
i feel they have gone to commercial and a way from his original design concepts,
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posted by LRF
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19-Jan-08 |
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Your probably right, Lloyd
Most of the current wave of Sonneman lamps are nothing special, but I am impressed that they have reissued this lamp at about half of the price of the Lost City Arts copy and about 1/3 to 1/4 of the going price for an original one.
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posted by barrympls
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20-Jan-08 |
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Thanks
Thanks for ther website! I have seen the store through amazon.com and came close to buying a lamp from them.
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posted by James
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21-Feb-08 |
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I've decided...
that I'm going to buy the multi colored version. Sure, it's $1251.00, but it's far cheaper than either the Lost City Arts knockoff and thousands less than a real vintage Arteluce model.
Besides, if I did find a real one, I'd have to get it delivered (could be difficult) and probably rewired.
I'm going to reply on Sonneman's reputation for quality and assume it's the real deal. I DO know that it weights 51 lbs, so it's not a flimsy Chinese piece of doggy doo doo.
By the way, did you know that the Arteluce lamp was not imported into the US? It was actually made in the US and sold by Raymor.
Crikey, I'd sure like to know more about the Raymor Corporation. Not only did they import all those neat Bitossi ceramics, but lots of other ceramics from Italy, not to mention the Arthur Umanoff furniture.
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posted by barrympls
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21-Feb-08 |
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bad
the scale of this lamp i way off. i think it is a horrible reproduction.
really, how hard is it to recreate to exact specs if there is no longer a legal reason to differentiate?
the pole going up is too short, the shades are fat and clunky and, and the base is really ugly.
save your money and get a real one. stop giving these companies money for their shoddy reproductions .
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posted by tynellbuyer
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21-Feb-08 |
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Tynellbuyer....nothing like being neutral, huh??
Gee whiz...maybe you could have a stronger opinion, huh? The lamp is obviously modified. Sonneman is a class company that does not do knockoffs. They apparently made alterations to the original design, so they would not infringe on any copyrights.
The original lamp has been out of production for nearly 30 years. The company, Arteluce, went out of business nearly 30 years ago.
As far as the base goes, it looks the same to me.
Despite your attack, I'm going for it. I'm not interested in paying $8000.00 for an original that might have problems with leather handles, bolts that might not stay tightened, paint that needs to be relaquered and probably requiring rewriring.
Besides, let's say I find an original. How would it be shipped? Floor lamps are beastly to pack up and safely ship across country or internationally.
I'm taking a chance on this alteration...it'll be shipped properly and arrive in one piece.
It'll be brand new.
Also, where I'm going to buy it, there's free shipping and no sales tax.
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posted by barrympls
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21-Feb-08 |
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go for it
to each their own
personally i have problems with bad copies..
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posted by tynellbuyer
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21-Feb-08 |
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I think its your best choice...the base is at least the 3 prong version...I do wonder why the shorter stem?...so easy fpr them to make longer like the orig.
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posted by azurechicken
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21-Feb-08 |
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It's not a copy
you say:
personally i have problems with bad copies..
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Sonneman apparently revamped it for their purposes and reissued it. Don't call it a 'bad copy' until you see it in the flesh.
I too can jump to conclusions, but I try not to be a schmuck about it!
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posted by barrympls
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21-Feb-08 |
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it's a bad copy.
simple.
don't take it personally.
i certainly am not attacking you. i am just not happy about all these companies sullying the good design of the past .
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posted by tynellbuyer
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21-Feb-08 |
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name calling
no need for name calling btw.
that is the sign of a simple mind..
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posted by tynellbuyer
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21-Feb-08 |
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posted by tynellbuyer
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21-Feb-08 |
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Don't take it too hard
if you re-read your original comments, they were quite aggressive and "in ones face". I simply reacted.
Why did you get so upset? What's wrong with taking an item that's not been in production for over 30 years from a company that's out of business and putting it back out?
I don't get it.
It's not the same as a Chinese company knocking off a current available item.
To repeat and repeat, Sonneman is NOT a company that's has ever produced anything dishonest.
If you don't like its look, then that's fine.
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posted by barrympls
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21-Feb-08 |
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Sonnemans one of the most ...
Sonnemans one of the most respected lighting companies,
It might be similar when Howard Miller
reissued the astrick clock and ball clock in 2005 that they made made in the 1950s and reissued.
They were a little bit different on the hands, on the astrick clock , cause they were reversed from the Nelson Vitra and the miller clocks of the 50's.
Why they do this no one knows why???? but that sononeman lamp might look a little different but it is real, as real can be.
Whether one thinks it looks funny and the other one things it is beautiful that is up to eyes of the beholder, as we all see things a little different.
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posted by LRF
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22-Feb-08 |
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POST images of the two lamps side by side
I cant understand why the short standard? making it longer is so simple.The shades have less taper but the base seems very close...
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posted by azurechicken
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22-Feb-08 |
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Maybe it has something to do with shipping.
A few years ago I sold one online (vintage Arredoluce) and when I was getting it ready to ship, I found it a little tricky to pack without unwiring it.
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posted by the_beloved
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22-Feb-08 |
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Vintage vs. new
The first is vintage, the second is Sonneman:
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posted by the_beloved
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22-Feb-08 |
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Thanks for the pics ,how much did you get for yours on ebay.The two lamps are rather closer than many copies?
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posted by azurechicken
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22-Feb-08 |
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I don't think you'd pay...
I don't think you'd pay 8000.00 for an old one, Barry. Maybe six at the most for a mint one -- more likely four or five.
I've seen these Sonnemans. I had high hopes, too, but those proportions do look rather off. Kinda squat.
These are great lamps. I have an Italian made Trienalle form 68 or 69, but it isn't Arteluce. It's chrome with gray black and white shades and Wenge or Mahogany finials. It was maybe 900 USD. Very useful lamp.
I'd go for Daniel Donnelly's reproduction. Miles closer in spirit to the originals.
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posted by finch
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22-Feb-08 |
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The Treluci Lamp:
Sommenman Lamp:
3636
Treluci Floor Lamp
H 69"
W 63"
Shade: Metal
Top 3"
Bottom 10"
H 9"
Base: 33"
Bulb: (3) 60w medium base
Switch: (3) Built-in on/off (1) on/off line cord switch
3636.01W White Shade
3636.01K Black Shade
3636.01M Multi Color
In the 1000 Lights book, they say the Triennale lamp is 152 cm high.
I think the pictures are difficult to compare if the arms are in different positions.
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posted by barrympls
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22-Feb-08 |
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If it came in brass I would buy it....
Polished is OK, but brass is class. Daniel Donnely does brass, but will only pair it with the marble base, he can't do brass tripod bases for some reason.
Does anyone here weld? Is brass weldable?
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posted by the_beloved
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Brass is very easy to join...
Brass is very easy to join but its normally brazed or soldered rather than welded
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and yes I agree
, for this lamp, brass is class
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Brass is the best,I like the variants with all white or black shades or the black,white,grey shades it less the "carnival" look...
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23-Feb-08 |
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Were all of the original
Arteluce/Raymor lamps only available in brass?
I thought I've seen pictures of chrome or stainless (silver) Trienalle's....
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posted by barrympls
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24-Feb-08 |
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I like brass, but always felt...
I like brass, but always felt brass looked a little dated on this design. Bronze might have looked good -- little more understated.
Of course, they did in fact come in chrome. They just look more like a machine in chrome.
You can spot one in the opening scenes of Bullit.
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posted by finch
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16-Apr-08 |
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Got it today!
It's quite large of a lamp (once I got it together), quite close to the Treinnale, and very well made. It WAS beastly to assemble and being a Chinese product, it had little instructions.
I would've preferred brass or at least satin finished chrome. This one's a bit shiny.
You can only use a 60 in each shade, but it does a great job of illuminating the ceiling, providing general lighting and providing bright specific light to my lounge chair and table.
For the price I paid ($1400...it went up) I'm very happy with it. I strongly suggest it to anyone who wants to really make a statement, as well as providing good lighting.
By the way, I got it from Lamps Plus. No tax and free shipping.
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posted by barrympls
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16-Apr-08 |
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picture please barry
picture please barry
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16-Apr-08 |
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OK, Lloyd
Here's a snap of it in my living room....the red shade of up out of camera range. But you can see the size of the lamp with the LaFonda chair on the right and the Aalto on the left with the little Schultz Petal table in the center.
Also, while I had the camera out, I thought I'd take a snap of my desk with my new Richard Schultz 1966/Leisure furniture.
I got the dining room table (on the left) for only $350.00 because it has a bit of paint chipping around the legs (big deal) and the pair of black dining armchairs for only $250.00 each because they too were returned for some reason. They look new to me!
This is an example of my buying the very best luxury pieces next to new for prices that are quite reasonable. With shipping, I paid less than $1200 for two Schultz chairs and a Schultz dining table....jeez, less than one chair new!
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posted by barrympls
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oh my Barry i love the ...
oh my Barry i love the lamp it is great I have more sonnemans than anything
i bought a offcie supply store out and they had louis Paulen,Pal Henningson and Robert Sonnoeman i bought t hem all so i know his work well, that one you have is great.
also love the lafonda the place is looking really cool, keep going, it is only money....
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18-Apr-08 |
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whoa!
I assumed from the commercial pics with the all-white background, that the Sonneman lamp was short. But now that I see it pictured with furniture, I can see the scale of the lamp. Those arms are huge and crane-like, which is why the center post looked so short!
Nice collection btw.
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posted by the_beloved
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18-Apr-08 |
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Thanx
it's really huge...much bigger than I remember my late friend's real one. Also, I think his had a more flat tripod base.
so, the red shade out of range is lighting up the ceiling, the yellow will illuminate the sofa (when I get one) and the white will be the light for the Aalto lounge chair.
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posted by barrympls
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18-Apr-08 |
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size is great
The size of the lamp is great and it grounds everything else. Good buy! Now to add that Corbu sofa.
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03-May-08 |
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Retro...which lamp did you buy?
A vintage Trienalle? a Sonneman reissue?
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posted by barrympls
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05-May-08 |
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Barry
A shill pitching his product.
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A shill pitching his product????
What does that mean?
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posted by barrympls
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05-May-08 |
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He means that the retroman
post was a fake testimonial.
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06-May-08 |
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I see what you mean.,....
All of the items are unpriced (email to get price), which is a total turn-off.
Honest MCM websites proudly display their fair price, which anyone would have to pay.
I'm not fond of emailing a website to ask for the price and get quoted a price that's 20% higher than the previous guy was quoted...because the store's electric bill got delivered....
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posted by barrympls
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06-May-08 |
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..ug
those reissues are hideous.
please stop the madness!
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06-May-08 |
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It's only your opinion....
the Sonneman, which is DIFFERENT from the Arteluce original, is a beautiful lamp and looks damn grand in my living room.
You think it's hideous? Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
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posted by barrympls
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06-May-08 |
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perhaps it would look a little better if you changed the dusty rose blinds on the window ; )
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06-May-08 |
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Tynellbuyer, you really have a negative attitude
There's no reason for such violent snottiness. If you must know, the blinds came with the house, and although they're not my color scheme, they're good enough quality and I've come to like them....but there's no polite reason for you to comment and I shouldn't have to defend my furnishings.
I have definite opinions about things (and I'm not that politicallly correct) but instead saying something is hideous, I usually state it's "not my cup of tea". Unlike you, I'm not interesting in being vicious.
I don't understand why you have deemed yourself to be some kind of knowledgable appraser who feels it appropriate to negatively comment about a person's furnishings?
I would appreciate if you keep your p*ss and vinegar comments to yourself.
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posted by barrympls
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06-May-08 |
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all right you all be nice...
all right you all be nice or we will have to separate you two.
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06-May-08 |
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Sorry, but it was
just my reaction to his nasty comments!
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posted by barrympls
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06-May-08 |
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zzz..
barry ..
about the blinds, it was a joke, hence the smiley face.
chill out dude.
about the lamp.. i truly think it is horrible and am sick of the repros that pay no attention to detail and over scale everything.. don't get all defensive. one has a right to his or her opinion.
take it all with a grain of salt.. just one person's opinion. maybe everyone else loves the piece.. but the blinds? really? dusty rose? lol maybe you should pass on a clock and use the spare cash to update or at least spray paint it..
you are posting your photos to show others your stuff.. if you don't like an honest criticism perhaps you should stop posting photos .. just an opinion of course..
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