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Still more about Nelson clocks 5
Well folks we hit 100 on Nelson 4 so time to start a new thread, as it does get a little tiring to go through them all to get to the bottom. Alex and Patrick will have to archive this on to the blog, this one thread seems to be the most popular of all threads,
You can read the previous thread 'still more about Nelson clocks 4' here:
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm//...
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OK...here's the two most insane
Nelson clocks ever:
First one is 2276 and it's called the Hemisphere "Floating Mine" wall clock.
Second one is 2275 and it's called the Full Sphere "Floating Mine" wall clock. This model was also available as a Ceiling hanging clock with a clock face on front AND back!!
Gee, they're really bizarre
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...... so ugly ...... i ...
...... so ugly ...... i could care less if the master designed them himself they are not welcome in my home.
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I never said they were beautiful
but I'm amazed that you have such a violent opinion about 'em, Lloyd. I'd love to have one (bet it looks cooler in person).
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i would not call my ...
i would not call my opinion that violent it just looks rather gaudy and over the top. I love nelson like a member of my family
i also have some pretty out there pieces by panton, and Gio Ponta and Robert Sonomon and none look that strange, i guess i would have to see it up close to see if it was great
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Love em
I really like these. Exactly my kind of thing!
*add on, if Vitra reissued these, as well as the Motion Notion, the only ones I'd seriously consider buying from their hyper-inflated (many pejoratives later) catalog.
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Hideous
Those clocks are the most hideous designs I've seen in many years. I imagine Olive would echo my opinion. Seriosuly, I once had a genital condition that looked a little like these clocks. A bit of sunlight and some cream and it cleared up.
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stephan you never cease t...
stephan you never cease to amaze me
I think that down under sense of humor we just don't get.
once a stalker now a guy with a former genital condition,
Lord help this poor boy!!!!
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Clown Fishing
Stephens condition does not distract my attention from a more likely influence or similarity. Also reminds me of viruses, diatoms, crystalline structures...
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crystalline structures......
crystalline structures... Stephen????????????????
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190211007918 check this out ...
190211007918 check this out on ebay, some guy is selling a ball clock saying it is original
Not one thing original about it, somebody got a old label gun and put a label on it that is the vitra style back but just like the clocks form all world,
I emailed the guy to tell him i cant wait for his response,
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um...I think that clock actua...
um...I think that clock actually is vintage LRF. That's the back that Howard Miller used for battery driven clocks (which is why Vitra uses it today). You can see the 4 digit code impressed in the back. That, and the all around wear (particularly the patina on the brass arms), point to it most definitely being genuine and vintage.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190211009...
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posted by brbeard
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Yup, BRB, it's an original one
The battery pack is a C battery pack, which is the correct vintage. The clear close-up pix show the typical wear one finds on that period.
The model is:
4755M
Multicolor balls, white center, black hands
sold for $32.50 electric, $37.50 win, and $47.50 battery.
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posted by barrympls
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Just snapped this one up
2408C, heavy metal case with glass in front of the clockface, available in electric or battery (this one's electric)
This was an expensive clock that was designed as a group of clocks for offices. (originally sold for $60.00 electric and $70.00 battery)
Got it as a "buy it now" for $145.00.
I like it.
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I emailed the owner of the ...
I emailed the owner of the ball clock and he said it was made in the 70s and came out of a store in Minneapolis with that label on it ,
Those plates on the back were used by every one starting in the 70s , and that is a 70s c battery pack used by miller before the AA i dont think it really is made by Howard miller BUT I have been wrong once or twice, but this just does not have the real feel of a vintage Howard miller piece. no stamp at all
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your on my tail Barry
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your on my tail Barry
i will not give up cause if i do you will have them all and I will only have 46 I do like that design,
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well ........ I just ...
well ........ I just bought this whirly bird for $15,000
yes that is thousands the oil business is fantanstic
Now before you all cuss out that Rich son of Bitch
I think that i should add one more thing about the George Nelson & Associates
Whirlygig clock, model 2268
Howard Miller
USA, 1959
brass, glass, lacquered metal, plastic
5.25 dia x 8 h inches
Signed with decal manufacturer's label to underside: [Howard Miller Clock Company Zeeland Michigan].
April fools
15k plus a auction fee, would help a lot of poor people wouldnt it!!!
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This is the type of Nelson ...
This is the type of Nelson clock that i can afford for 81 bucks on ebay
I actually saw this clock at the Palm Springs show for 300 I liked it but thought it was a little high priced but every thing at that show was, it had the Nelson traditional hands on it ,
I have a feeling that someone removed them and put the Hobby lobby specials on this clock. but I have several sets of the original hands so on they go and it will look great. my plan worked,
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nelson whirly bird clock,
i just checked my 1959 Howard miller catalogues
and the whirly bird sold for $60.00 in '59
now sells for $15,000 that is not a bad return on your
money in almost 50 years, what do you all think?
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posted by LRF
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01-Apr-08 |
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Lloyd:
You got the Whirly Bird clock? Wow, that's a hellava chunk of change.
You know, since eBay started that paranoid removal of full bidder names, I can't be sure who's bidding.
My eBay name is barrymn, so it would look like b*****n
If you're going after something you need bad, and you see my bidding on it too, by all means, let me know and I'll back off.
I'll try not to step on your heels too.
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no i did not get the ...
no i did not get the whirly bird clock,
i was just april fooling !!!!!!!!!!!
I dont think that i am ready to spend 15,000 on a clock plus auction
that is to rich for my blood
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posted by LRF
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Got one of the clocks I won today
and it's really cool. 14 1/2" across and nearly 4" deep. The hands were bent (don't know if they're original, but they are old). I straightened them out and clocks works beautifully.
I'm not going to try to repair the two wood cracks or try to fill in the edge issues.
The center of the clockfase is metal...probably copper or possibily a bronze-like metal.
It had to have been an expensive clock...it looks like 4758.
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02-Apr-08 |
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barry
actually, your "encrypted" ebay name will not look like that... it is random (or at least it does not match).
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That sucks....
I hate eBay doing that.
Occasionally I see someone bidding on an item that I know if not what it appears and I have occasionally emailed the bidder out of kindness. They usually appreciate the information, but I can't do that anymore.
Now, for the sake of 'security' it's all individual "buyer beware".
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Lloyd, I found one yesterday
at a local shop for $65.00.
Here's snaps of the last 3 i got:
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the 4th one
the 4th one
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Barry i am glad you foun...
Barry i am glad you found that clock now i know what kinda hands to put on it ,
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At that late date, Lloyd,
I wouldn't be surprised if you could buy the clock with either type of hands, or possibily Howard Miller used both types of hands.
Who knows? I get the impression that the end of the Nelson/Howard Miller relationship might have been a bit sticky, and perhaps Howard Miller continued to use the Nelson hands and had to stop due to legal issues.
I could be wrong, but I don't get the impression it was a clean break.
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I think you are right on ...
I think you are right on the money Barry...
I have seen to many of the Miller Nelson clocks at the end of the relationship with all kinds of hands,
I have a feeling the boys at Howard miller were making a clean sweep of all the inventory and said lets just stick these hands on this clock and go with it, as a researcher so many things are not adding up with the different hands, and you know as well as i do that the buyers of these clocks in the late 60's early 70s could have cared less about the hand sets, so i will go out on a limb unless someone corrects me, any thing goes with these late issued clocks, you never no what you are getting, just be glad you got it and hopefully at a good price.
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Also, Lloyd
considering that 1) they weren't interested in the reissuing series that went to Vitra, and 2) when contact, they know little or nothing about these clocks and didn't keep very good records, makes me think that the ending of the relationship was messy and unpleasant.
On the other hand (no pun intended), if you contact Howard Miller about the traditional Howard Miller clock your grand Aunt Hildy has on her mantelpiece, they can look it up and tell you exactly when it was made and probably can still service it.
Howard Miller is a good company, but when it came to their 20+ year relationship with George Nelson & Associates, they might as well be Exxon or Wal*Mart.....evil and clueless.
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I agree 100 percent th...
I agree 100 percent they know from "Goonish " if you know what that means, nothing!, and it is real confusing to me, i have made several calls and they all act the same [code word we do not know] you would think a great company rich in history would love those Nelson clocks but they act like they are a thorn in the side or a pain in the Neck. and lets not go there,
But if you want to talk about those ugly old granddaddy clocks they have internet sights, fan clubs, and you name it, kinda sad and it makes it real hard to get info on all this great stuff,
so my friend every thing you say i have experienced my self.
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...and speaking of customer service
I called the person at vitra THREE times and left voice mails about buying some clock hands.
I just happen to call again today and lo and behold, she answered the phone.
She asked me to email her with my requirements; I've yet to hear back.....
She was sketchy about if Vitra was going to issue any more Nelson clocks.
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Barry
Barry
You must be talking about Patty Miller she is really a very lovely lady and i deal with her all the time.
she is customer service and can get you any of the hands that vitra makes . they are mostly 18.00 US dollars and 5.00 to ship if any one needs her telephone number it is 610 391 9780 ext. 119.
asking her if Vitra was going to make any more clocks
is like asking me , she has no idea
Side bar .....
someone should get with Vitra and see if they can produce some new cool Nelson designs cause the 10 or 11 that they make are just the tip of the ice berg he has so many other fabulous ones out there it makes me wonder how they chose the ones they did, and left so many cool ones behind,
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pete
thanks for sharing that steering wheel from the European side of Ebay i never look on that side
but if you are a real serious collector that is as original as you can get,
i wonder why Vitra changed the hands to white, when the original ones where black another interesting thing is the tape on the markers has dried up and started to curl, something old would do,
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I wonder how difficult it would be
to change a direct plug chronopack like this into a regular corded electric clock. I could add the chord, but what about the back plate?
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i would just change the ...
i would just change the whole thing out to a quartz battery movement save the cord and the old chronopack for the next guy
i do not want any cords in my collection and have done that to all my clocks
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The electric chords don't bother me
I actually treasure my electric clocks more than my battery ones....call me old fashioned. I'd especially love to get a winding model, but so far, no luck.
Enjoying a vintage electric clock, chord and all is like collecting and playing my original 1920's and 1930's 78's....I could get 'em on CD, but I prefer the originals.
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that my friend is what m...
that my friend is what makes the world go around.
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electric chords?
You inadvertently made a "funny".
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Yuck Yuck
I meant cord
so sue me
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just a few of the ...
just a few of the clocks that i have gotten recently
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having trouble with adjusting the size on photo bucket
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having a little trouble tonight
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Bummer
This morning I went to an estate sale and they had a Nelson orange Ball Clock for $20. When I went to take it off the wall it was hard wired somewhere behind the wall. They then said it was not for sale.
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Hokey smokes, Bullwinkle
This rather rare clock just fetched $1313.99 on eBay! Heavens to Betsy
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I am more shocked then y...
I am more shocked then you about that clock It was found at a thrift shop by my friend Paul and then Tim and charley picked it up, It has been painted and I personally think it is not that great at all,
I saw nothing wonderful about it, I personally feel who ever got it over paid big time for that one
but if that is how you want to spend your money go for it,
we have some old mid century swamp land in Florida any takers
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I didn't bid that high for it
it wasn't my 1313.99. I was bidding on it, but was nowhere close to that ending bid!
I don't mind buying a clock that needs repainting, but if I did a paint jobn on a clock, I doubt I would sell it.
In actual fact, those metal disc clocks are quite rare and I like the look. I only wish I knew its Howard Miller catalog number.
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Barry i have never seen...
Barry i have never seen that clock at any of the auctions or catalog's
I am very curious why there should be so few of this one , and if you or i or several others have no idea what it is worth,
there must be a higher being out there who knows about all Howard miller clocks.
Where is our forum buddy who has 100 clocks I would like to hear from him on this one.
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It's an incomplete motion-notion clock
This clock is, I believe, actually model# 2274, one of the 5 or 6 Motion-Notion clocks. It came in both black or white. It is missing the cord or string that would have been strung back and forth from the 12 marker pegs. |