04-May-08
Favorite task chair, anyone?
My search for a comfortable task chair continues. I've dismissed my previous notion of buying a kneeling chair (just too bizarre).

While I'm a natural-born tightwad (and have acquired all of my vintage furniture for absurdly low prices) I've concluded that I've little choice but to actually pay retail for a task chair.

I've spent the day shopping, and I'm leaning toward:

the Steelcase Leap


the Humanscale Freedom


the Knoll Life



But, I'm confused since I sampled so many, today.

Can anyone offer any other suggestions, or have any of you owned any of these chairs? I value comfort & performance over looks, in this case. Any advice appreciated.


posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 05-May-08 12:00 PM  [edit]
 
04-May-08
Aeron!
I'm sitting an Aeron Chair from Herman Miller, which is the most comfortable task (or office) chair ever.

I got it on eBay for under $400.00.

I also have a Mirra Chair from Herman Miller, which is fairly comfortable, but nowhere as nice as my Aeron Chair.

I think the Aeron Chair is about the most popular office chair in the US.
posted by barrympls
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04-May-08
Aeron, eh?
I guess I was being disingenuous when I said I value comfort over looks, because I don't think the Aeron would look very good at my trim, wall-hung rosewood desk.

Frankly, I didn't even sit in one today, though I had several opportunities. I'll give one a try before making my final decision, though...
posted by william-holden-caulfield
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04-May-08
Barry is right
The Aeron is our choice for a task chair, even though we've used the aluminum group (both soft and thin pad), the Time-Life chair, the Saarinen executive chair and others. For long-term use and erganomics the Aeron is very hard to beat. It pretty much set the standard. Plus you can be thrifty and get one second hand for much less than a new one.
posted by Pegboard Modern
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04-May-08
Yep, Barry is correct
I have an Aeron (size B), a newer Time Life chair, and an older Knoll Life? chair, and an older HM equa chair..and the comfort award easily goes to the Aeron. I never tire of sitting on it. Why can't automobiles offer the pelicle mesh as an option?
posted by Mark
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04-May-08
I guess I don't really LIKE the looks of task chairs, in the first place--
which is why I've been using a molded-plywood chair at my desk for years.

If I'm going to trade in looks for comfort, and pay many hundreds of dollars, I sorta want ALL the bells & whistles-- adjustable arms, back, etcetery.

The aluminum group chairs look great, but they're not adjustable or especially well-suited to long hours on the computer.

The Aeron (& Mirra, for that matter) may be comfortable, but I find the big balloon-back shapes, and meshy man-made upholstery inappropriate for my small apartment furnished with sleek wood furniture.

I want high tech performance, but low to medium-tech appearance, I guess.


posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 04-May-08 03:11 PM  [edit]
 
04-May-08
WMC...many of the latest chairs are butt ugly
but the Aeron chair is 1000% beautiful, anyway you look at it. It's a truly revolutionary looking chair that's comfortablem, well made and is award winning.

I've spouted about alot of the ugly new stuff, but this chair's go what it takes.

Maybe the reason why you feel the way you do is because you're spending hours sitting on a hard plywood chair!
posted by barrympls
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04-May-08
maarten van severen & vincent van duysen
maybe you can try these by belgian designers maarten van severen ( for Vitra )


and vincent van duysen ( for Bulo )

http://en.bulo.com/loveyouroffice/coll_seating_chair.php
http://www.vitra.com/nl-nl/home/products/.07/
posted by Erik.H
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05-May-08
Those Belgian chairs are sleek and good looking
and they don't have the athletic-shoe styling so typical of contemporary task chairs. Unfortunately, I think the chairs that resemble sneakers tend to be considerably more comfortable.
posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 05-May-08 11:38 AM  [edit]
 
05-May-08
Erik...I bet
the Aeron would be much more comfortable. It's shaped to conform to the body. Your Vitra chair is so flat back and seated.
posted by barrympls
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05-May-08
i know but
I know they look hard but they are acutally more comfortable than they look.

The Aeron looks very comfortable.
The Maarten Van Severen chair has hidden comfort as do most of his other chairs.
posted by Erik.H
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05-May-08
Form V. Function; Form wins.
I've used both the HumanScale Freedom chair and the Aeron and the Aluminum Group at work. I know i'm in the minority here, but I dont love the Aeron - in terms of comfort or looks. And yes, I adjusted it properly.

The Freedom chair was good, but I had the highback and it was just so BIG at my desk all the time. Still, prettier than the Aeron, and (to me) more comfortable.

I finally finagled an aluminum softpad from one of my coworkers. Frankly I love it, and not just because of the looks. Its comfortable, and really - all I do is sit at my computer. I dont need to adjust the arms, and I rarely need to adjust the height. I set the recline tension about halfway, and its enough that I can rock back when I need to. My only complaint is that its standard black leather - I would have preferred cherry red, or bright green or something, but maybe thats just the spring fever talking.

You might also try out the Saarinen executive seating - with the task chair base. I saw one of them at the knoll showroom in town and it looked fine and was comfy in the initial sit.
posted by LuciferSum
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05-May-08
soft pad spring fever
they seem to have several colours available on vitra website
http://www.vitra.com/en-gb/office/products/soft-pad-group-e/...
posted by Erik.H
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10-May-08
Done deal
I ordered the Knoll Life, from DWR, before the Knoll sale ends (10% off plus free shipping).

After shopping the discount venues (Ebay, sit4less, AllModern.com, etc) I decided to spend a few more bucks in order to get all the particulars I want (polished aluminum frame, lumbar support).

The online "discount" chair sites are a tease-- the low prices quoted in bold apply to no-frills, armless versions. After specifying your preferences using menu tabs, the price becomes comparable to buying from Knoll or DWR. The Ebay sellers regularly use catalog photos that aren't representative of the imperfect secondhand chairs they're selling, and they're unwilling or unable to specify materials & features.

I spent a little shy of $1,000; but if I look at it on a cost-per-use basis, it's only pennies per day.

posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 10-May-08 08:28 PM  [edit]
 
10-May-08
WHC....DWR's OK but
I'd suggest you buy Knoll or Herman Miller from any of the following:

http://www.hivemodern.com

http://www.retromodern.com

http://www.highbrowfurniture.com

Unlike DWR, they also don't charge tax, they honor the same Herman Miller and/or Knoll annual sales and do not charge for shipping in the U.S.

Because there's a DWR in Minnesota, if I bought from them,I'd have to pay sales tax....plus DWR doesn't carry all of the Herman Miller and/or Knoll pieces.

Of those above, Hivemodern is the most swell. I bought my 36" square Herman Miller work table from them and most of the others only show the round varieties.
http://www.hivemodern.com
posted by barrympls
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10-May-08
Too late, the fuse has been lit
I appreciate your advice, but I've already ordered it, and paid the tax.

I COULD weasel out of the deal (& cancel), but I'd trade the sales tax to avoid the ugliness of such a situation. (I did, after all, test their chair on their premises -- seems only proper that I give them my business. I'm a cheapskate, but never at the expense of manners.)
posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 10-May-08 08:13 PM  [edit]
 
10-May-08
Grahl split back...
I keep telling everyone, but no one listens. I must have an anomalous back.
posted by dcwilson
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10-May-08
Where were you a week ago, when I was asking for suggestions?
I've seen a lot of other interesting looking chairs online, but when all is said & done, one can only consider buying a chair that they've actually sat in & tested.

The Grahl chair's intriguing, it looks like a pair of lungs:

posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 11-May-08 02:28 AM  [edit]
 
11-May-08
the Grahl... or an...
the Grahl... or an insect.
I like it. Especially in orange, but you made a good choice.
All of the choices are good, but important to 'test drive'.

Visually i like your pick. I've struggled with this issue myself.
At work i have a couple of steelcase. And a row of Warren Mcarthur
folding chairs for visitor seating. Adjustments are important.

At home is another issue. We use a vintage University type aluminum and
oak library swivel. Probably Goodform(?). Very difficult to find a visually
appealing home office chair. Works for now. Has a great worn-in squeak.
(W-D does not help)...comforting, but not for extended hours at the computer.
...We tend to travel around the house and deck with laptops.

I hope it works for you. Please give a report after a trial period...




posted by rockland
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11-May-08
If it makes any difference,
I have promoted HiveModern, Retromodern and Highbrow before over DWR, because of DWR's sales taxing and the fact that even though they are proper Knoll and Herman Miller distributed, it was THEY who decide to only offer certain Knoll and Herman Miller pieces.

Go figure.
posted by barrympls
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11-May-08
Barry-
I might have taken your advice and bought from Retromodern (to save the sales tax), had I not already paid for the chair. Others reading this may learn from my mistake, however.

I don't fault DWR for offering some- but not all- Knoll/ Herman Miller designs, why should they? They're a boutique.

Rockland-

That goofy Grahl chair is growing on me, too-- it does resemble a ladybug or a beetle. A quick online search leads me to believe they're not easy to find in the USA, though.
posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 11-May-08 06:51 AM  [edit]
 
11-May-08
I'm sure you'll love your chair
and DWR is a professional business.

It's interesting, though. When I started looking at what was available from Knoll and Herman Miller, I looked at their website and started to check out their dealers.

Hive, Retromodern and Highbrow did not carry everything in their stores...they're like DWR's.

But, unlike DWR, the other three list (or think they do) all of the products that can order from either company. THAT'S the way to do business.

DWR will order for you, but their website is very selective and they give the impression that they can only get what they've chosen to show on their website.

That puts me off and I don't buy from them.

I don't see anything clever about boutiquing their business.

What's even more interesting is that DWR has stores all over and the the above three have single retail stores and rather complete websites.

Of all of them, Hive seems to be the complete.
posted by barrympls
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11-May-08
Any idea what this one...

Any idea what this one is?...(dark photo so i'm posting the article link)

NYTimes last sunday.

"Favorite item in house: My ergonomic office chair. It is based on the tension you put on it. I swear by it. I love it. It brings down my blood pressure."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/magazine/04wwln-domains-tn...
posted by rockland
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11-May-08
That goofy Grahl chair is quite possibly, I believe...
the proto-type for all the high end ergonomic computer chairs that have followed. Bought mine in 1992, I believe.

Someone who knows their high end computer chair legacy stuff fill us in on the history of the high end computer chair.



posted by dcwilson
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11-May-08
Barry
Rockland - thats a Liberty Chair from humanscale.

Barry - first off, let me disclaim I'm a little biased towards DWR because I've become good friends with one of the guys that works there, and I've had really good experiences there. So...

I asked my friend and he told me DWR can get anything from Knoll or Herman Miller. The stuff they carry 'standard' is usually warehoused, which means you can get it quicker than the lead times Hive & others are held to. If you buy something out of DWRs standard line-up you need to wait the same lead time as other websites. Also - just the fact that I can try things out before buying them is completely worth paying shipping. I would NEVER have spent 500 bucks on an LCW if I hadn't been able to try it out first. (just like I wouldnt buy a pair of shoes if I couldnt try them on)

And this may betray my bluer than blue liberal leanings - but I like taxes. They pay for important things like roads and police officers and such. Here in MA the state sales tax is directly related to how much funding our subway system gets. I couldnt in good conscience bitch about the lousy quality of the subway if, at the same time, I'm subverting their funding system by buying from an out of state vendor.
posted by LuciferSum
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11-May-08
DC Wilson
A friend of mine has relayed a rumor that Knoll may be putting out a book on the history of the task chair. Dunno any more details than that!
posted by LuciferSum
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12-May-08
DWR provides a valuable service
by maintaining so many stores where one can try out the goods. It's discourteous to manhandle their samples and waste their sales staff's time if you intend ultimately to buy it online.

(I might have committed this moral faux pas had the online-savings been greater, however. I'm no saint-- I just play one, on the internet.)

posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 12-May-08 05:40 AM  [edit]
 
12-May-08
You're both right about DWR...
but I had a less-than-excellent experience at my vocal DWR; there was a older bag there who thumbed her nose at anyone who wasn't spending big money (they finally showed her the door).

Also, when I bought my 36" square Eames work table last year (during the Herman Miller sale), I bought it from hive because they were the only ones showing it on their website.

It's a nice table; grey lamenate with a lighter grey edging. It works well down in my record room.

Back a few years when I went into DWR the first time, I was enquiring about the Eames Sofa, and since they didn't have it on their website, that old crum-bum told me it could not be ordered.

Go figure.

Finally, as far as sales tax goes, I put out a lot of money for sales tax all year long, and buying from someplace like Hive or buying on eBay and saving the tax makes me feel warm all over...I'm a liberal guy, but I also like a bargain!
posted by barrympls
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12-May-08
We all love a bargain
Im sorry you've had bad experiences there. I've been snubbed myself - but only in the SoHo store in NYC. Ugg.. I gagged on the pretension as soon as I walked in the door. But the Boston & Cambridge locations have always been more than friendly.

Anyway... here's a little secret of mine: Make friends with the people at DWR and you'll get some good deals. I've gotten an Eames wire table, an Eames LCW, a Navy chair and a few other odds and ends - all at deep discount prices when they have their floor sales. Some of the stuff is dented or dinged - but honesly - I'm going to do far worse damage in my day to day life. The only caveat is that most of the big name pieces go to employees before they even are listed.
posted by LuciferSum
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13-May-08
one more "too-little-too-late" recommendation . . .
First off, I should disclose I work for the manufacturer, but did you happen to look at the Haworth Zody chair? I've worked in a couple of the chairs you mentioned (the Leap and the Freedom), and I actually have an Aeron at home, but the Zody (what I sit in at work currently) has been, overall, my favorite so far. I have back trouble (I know - in this day and age, who doesn't?), and it's helped tremendously in that respect (it was actually the first - and might be the only, I haven't checked to see if there are others - task chair endorsed by the American Physical Therapy Association). It's also very "green" if that's of any importance to you.

I admit, it does have a couple of drawbacks (I prefer the mesh seat of the Aeron to the upholstered seat on the Zody, and the adjustable armpads move around a bit too easily). But like I said before, so far it's my favorite.

One more note for everyone: don't be afraid to spend a little money on a decent task chair (whichever one you like best). If you spend any amount of time at all in it every day, it will be worth it in the long run.
http://www.haworth.com/Brix?pageID=148&product_sakey=98
posted by Danny
edited on 13-May-08 01:15 AM  [edit]
 
13-May-08
It may be too late for me, but others may benefit from your recommendation--
I read about the Zody online, it received good reviews-- but, like the Grahl Duo, it wasn't available to try out in any of the stores I shopped. The Haworth Zody looks like the Knoll Life, only on steroids.

One thing I particularly liked about the Knoll chair is the flat "spokes" on the base. You can put your feet on them, if you choose.

posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 13-May-08 02:29 AM  [edit]
 
13-May-08
location?
I know you've already made your purchase (I have yet to sit in the Knoll, so I can't comment), but where are you located?
posted by Danny
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13-May-08
New York (city)
Which stores sell the Zody?
posted by william-holden-caulfield
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13-May-08
Haworth Showroom
Our NY Showroom is on 42nd and Park (right across from Grand Central, where the old satellite airline terminal was). Coincidentally that's where I work. The chairs are normally sold through our dealers (they usually have demos available to loan out for a week), but I've seen them at Sam Flax.

The showroom itself is pretty cool (there was a write-up in Interior Design Magazine last month). If you'd like to come by for a visit sometime let me know.
http://www.interiordesign.net/id_article/CA6544544/id
posted by Danny
edited on 13-May-08 03:39 AM  [edit]
 
13-May-08
Shopped Sam Flax
And I recall sampling a Haworth chair, but I don't think it was the Zody. If only there were a task chair boutique which featured EVERY chair, side by side, for easy comparison.
posted by william-holden-caulfield
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