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11-Jul-08 |
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sorry
but this made me spout a nose bleed.
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posted by whitespike
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gilding the lilly?
I like it too, it is actually pretty funny , much as I dislike po-mo wit .
Oh well, doomed to a hell of Robert Venturi chairs and Tubular Bells.
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posted by Heath
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Now, my challenge to you,...
Now, my challenge to you, original poster, is to take into consideration the above posts and stand by your original attraction.
This is actually a subject that fascinates me -- the manner in which people vacillate between liking something and not liking it, based upon popular preference or committee. Science has indicated that a decision arrived at by committee is almost always a better bet than one arrived at by an individual, based upon a collective frame of references, etc. I don't know if this goes for aesthetic matters as well, but I find it interesting how very little faith many posters on this forum seem to have in their sensibilities. I am not referring to anyone in particular, by the way, and this is not an attack -- but there does often seem to be an overwhelming need by many posters for acceptance; to be safe inside the little box, just outside of the box, if you will.
I often dither on the details myself; matte or gloss; high or low; brown or red. But once I get it right, I am solidly faithful to the end result -- perhaps even defiant. I don't sense the same on this forum very much, and it makes me wonder why.
Just some food for thought to start your weekend with...
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posted by finch
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Because consumption of gratuitous design is fashionable right now, its the new thing to do! Yay! or not. Lets splash cash on anything that means we're with it.
And when people are following a fashion they don't know if the bell bottoms match the plimsolls because the idea that there is a principle behind any behaviour or product doesn't occur to them.
I think at heart Tynell probably really likes the chair becuase its not taking itself seriously and feels a contradiction between this and how seriously design usually takes itself...so is a little unsure, perfectly understandable.
Or maybe it was just a facetious comment?
I like the chair, the idea is silly and its smart, just like Borat.
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posted by Heath
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11-Jul-08 |
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Ha
coincidences abound - I was just talking about 'glaming' up the Eames at work the other days.
In my opinion this chair is a little funny, but not enough. If you're going to 'tribute' the Eames you've got to do it in a way that reflects not only your adoring devotion, but also their own sensibilities. This chair would have had me rolling on the floor if it was a beat up old greige armshell - something totally common - and the shockmounts had been gilded. Or the feet pads.
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posted by LuciferSum
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11-Jul-08 |
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blingtastic!
i would probably bid on it if it was encrusted with some cubic zirconias... or at least rhinestones.
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posted by sonnypippo
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11-Jul-08 |
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here are my thoughts on this piece.
i see the arm shell chair as sculpture and especially the version on the eiffel base.
the addition of gold leaf to the piece makes it seem more of a sculpture , finished, rather than the base fibreglass.
don't get me wrong, i am not about to gold leaf my evans lcws, or my three legged dcm, but i like that someone had the balls to do this in the first place. we are slowly (or some quicker than others) getting a little high strung over such cheap(at the time)objects and adding this bit of whimsy, my most reviled word btw , but i will use it here, lessens the aggressive attitude some are feeling towards keeping items as real and original as possible.
i myself and somewhat of a purist when it comes to rare or early pieces. i have had them all from prototype on and would never even consider touching an original finish. a basic chair however to me is fair game.
what i am saying is, this chair is a basic arm shell. not a zenith piece, not even a rare or unusual colour, so spraypaint it, stencil it, dip it in rubber... whatever. who cares? if it makes you happy or even if it becomes a conversation piece, enjoy it at that level.
and for all you who think Charles and Ray would be rolling in their collective graves..... think about the gold-leafed coffee table they had in their living space for decades.. they were certainly not afraid to spice it up once in a while.. and they would most assuredly be stoked to see the ambiguous design lightened up. i believe somewhere, charles is smiling at the mere thought of a gold leafed arm shell. ray might be too.
now you will excuse me while i gold leaf my rosewood lounge and ottoman, and have the ambassador leather reupholstered in ostrich skin. ; P
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posted by tynellbuyer
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11-Jul-08 |
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imo
it seems like an "elaborate" attempt to make money off a chair which was probably in sub-par cosmetic condition.
but if someone else likes it and is willing to pay for it, more power to them!
the custom sticker is a nice touch..........
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posted by sonnypippo
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11-Jul-08 |
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Obviously from Goldfinger's estate
Achhh-disgusting,but yet another sad attempt to reinvent the wheel.Some artists think they're so clever.When in doubt,paint it gold.
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posted by Tulipman
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11-Jul-08 |
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Blinkin' not for me
I like things left in there original state. But, I guess they accomplished what they set out to do. Unless that chair is solid gold I wouldn't bid, and if it was I would bid and melt it down. Now, I'm just wondering if that stuff could possible be sand-blasted? There's a thought. But hey we're all different, if you like it more power to you.
Hmmm, a rhinestone Chair...that I would have to see. I'm sure its out there, anyone...anyone...
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posted by SMGSwank
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11-Jul-08 |
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It's probably so it goes with this
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posted by dashes
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posted by robert1960
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11-Jul-08 |
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The
link doesn't seem to work.. so I C&Pd
'To celebrate 50 years of the iconic Arne Jacobsen Egg chair, artist Tal R has created 50 unique designs of the chair, which were revealed this past week at the furniture fair in Milan. The 50 designs will be exhibited at Galleria Carla Sozzani through April 27, and then will travel to galleries and museums around the world.'
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posted by robert1960
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were they done by bk upholstery.... jklolololololol.
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posted by sonnypippo
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11-Jul-08 |
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When in doubt
We used to have an expression in art school:
If you can't make it good, make it big.
If you can't make it big, paint it red.
I love the idea of goofing off with Eames chairs. Someone on this forum once posted a side shell that had been auto-painted a pearl red with a college sports team logo in the center. Brilliantly tacky!
like I said before - this piece is funny, but not funny enough. What if he had sent it to LRF for recovering - in mauve chintz with cabbage roses? Or what if he had hand painted a portrait of Charles & Ray right on the seat. This is, as noted above, an attempt at ganking more money for something than it's worth.
Speaking of worth - Tnellbuyer - that three legged DCM is totally worthless...send it to my house and I'll dispose of it for you :-D
A few silly images...some intentional, some not.
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posted by LuciferSum
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11-Jul-08 |
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flippin sweet
i like that assortment on HM chairs on a bench.
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posted by sonnypippo
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11-Jul-08 |
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3 legged DCM
Where in Christs' name did you get it?
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posted by whitespike
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11-Jul-08 |
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Robert
The patchwork quilt eggs are the worst ever. They really make me cringe. Now the armshell with illustrations is kind of neat. I have always thought sending some to LRF and getting weird fabrics would be funny. A floral? Maybe a plaid (would actually be cool)? Something extremely French? Patterned red silk?
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posted by whitespike
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I do love art.
You know LuciferSum these are actually sweet. The assorted HM bench is great, the Eames chair is what I would call creative...the 3-eyed Monster Lounger, tacky-wacky.
Ohhhwoowza! The patchwork quilt eggs are the worst ever. (Ditto) You really shouldn't hire quilt makers for an upholstery job. I think this picture should go under "laughably crap replicas" yeah not a replica but CRAP indeed. Luckily, they can be saved.
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posted by SMGSwank
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News item
I think I remember reading about those eggs in USA Today a while back. Apparently this DWR truck collided with an Amish buggy. . . .
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posted by Riki
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I totally Agree!
Just another 'Concept over Execution' in the name of 'Art'
The concept should never be more important that the execution..never ..ever
If you look at modern artists working in 'craft' say Mark Quinn, Damien Hirst or The Chapman Brothers..those works are beautifully executed..
Ideas and concepts are like arseholes..everybody has one..
...until these concepts are beautifully realised they are worthless..
I don't care that the 'artist' says they should look home made..this work is supposed to be celebration of the chair..not a massage for his artistic ego
it is a huge let down for the chair, and is the antithesis of the what the chair is about.. very poor
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posted by robert1960
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11-Jul-08 |
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Wow
from the sentiments it seems like I'm the only one who likes the patchwork eggs.
I think they're exactly the kind of humor we've been talking about here. I certainly dont take them seriously as a sole expression of Jacobsen's designs. But in the right context...
I can imagine one of the US Flag ones in a psuedo modern Cap Cod cottage - preferrably next to a floral couch with a dust ruffle, and a Windsor rocking chair. Maybe a fireplace, some rusty whitewashed andirons.
Or perhaps one of the crazy color patchworks in a super-chic white box minimalist loft. Japan meets Amish country as someone pointed out.
To me the patchwork is a direct reference back to the playfulness of Panton and the kind of exuberant love of unique forms/playful colors that Fritz had in the 60s and the 70s.
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posted by LuciferSum
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sure
Sure, I like the *idea* of an unexpected chair upholstered in the US flag in a Cape Cod cottage........
but I don't think this is the chair..or it has been properly executed, had it been, I wouldn't question it..
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posted by robert1960
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I'm not big on the design mee...
I'm not big on the design meets humor aesthetic. I just like regular old stuffy perfect design!
If I want to laugh I'll throw in a Will Ferrel DVD. I'd prefer not to laugh at my own design decisions.
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posted by whitespike
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How about an Egg upholstered...
How about an Egg upholstered in a Dilbert printed cotton?
I do know what you mean, I find the gilded chair funny but its only funny once and an essay on the contradictions in the design industry would be far more rewarding. But no one would read it and I suspect a lot of people would look at the gold chair and think "duh cool I want one".
The patchwork Egg chairs I can't grasp at all, if it was PK his wife would be having conniptions, I wonder what they'll F up next?
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posted by Heath
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Don't take offense; I have an odd sense of humor.
yeah I'm with Whitespike on this one, I know everyone is entitled to there own opinions. But to me the gold seems like something you'd learn off PBS. How about we all sit-down and watch a DVD on one stroke roses, so I can start painting my beloved pieces. I just think some things are better left as-is. Different styles sometimes don't mesh. I may sound boring to some but that is just me.
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posted by SMGSwank
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pot pourri fumes *choking cho...
pot pourri fumes *choking choking* take it away.
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posted by Heath
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It seems the current trend is...
It seems the current trend is to favor wittiness over good design. Sometimes you can have both, but there is a fine line. There is evidence in the tendency to mix the ornate and the modern together (when done correctly this is a nice departure) or to add tiki or retro elements to otherwise throughly modern efforts. In the end, pure design will win overall. Throwing together disparate objects for shock value looses it's shock value almost instantly. Honest beauty is forever. It's statement is always valid.
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posted by whitespike
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It seems the current trend is...
repost. sorry.
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posted by whitespike
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Saul Steinberg was already embellishing them back in '52--
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posted by william-holden-caulfield
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Whenever I see this design,...
Whenever I see this design, I still think of this chair embellished by Steinberg's illustration. It is emblazoned in my mind in that way, as I saw a period B&W photo of it in a book many years ago before being really familiar with the Eameses work (I knew their films before I knew their furniture) I like it. It is fun.
Apologies for attempting to get cerebral (read, HEAVY man) regarding how impressionable people are when it comes to their taste or instincts. I noticed that was quickly brushed off like a bit of dog hair from a double-knit trouser leg. My genuine fear is that things (no matter how beautiful) could get very samey if one purist template were to emerge for how things should look and be and correspond with other things. I see a lot of uniformity around me, and it doesn't strike me as a good thing.
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however...
painting something gold doesn't exactly make it better (or different).......
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posted by sonnypippo
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Gold has connotations, plasti...
Gold has connotations, plastic has connotations, its at the very least an amusing juxtaposition. Finch is rightly concerned about how homogenous or shallow peoples ideas about design are ,design itself is not so homogenous now, perhaps even not enough.
I get concerned that for all the emerging visual literacy people are supposed to have (not so much here, but further afield) many can't read a design or artwork beyond its surface.
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posted by Heath
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Apparently, comic standards are low, when it comes to art and design
Woody Allen movies are funny, old issues of National Lampoon are irreverent, George Bernard Shaw plays are witty.
A commonplace piece of furniture juxtaposed with a luxe material (or, vice versa -- a rarefied piece upholstered with something low) just never does it for me, sorry to say. Do we call these things "witty" just to acknowledge that we "get" the intended joke?
Seventy(+) years after Merit Oppenheim's fur tea cup, the joke's wearing thin, dontcha think?
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I agree oddly enough, it is a...
I agree oddly enough, it is a fairly 'low' joke but a lot of people, especially the thousands salivating over Eames chairs on ebay couldn't even grasp something that thin.
Perhaps I am underestimating the consumer.
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Perhaps it's less about witty...
Perhaps it's less about witty juxtpositioning and more about irreverence...slaying a sacred cow or two.
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yes I agree, both materials...
yes I agree, but it is the juxtaposing that slays the cow in a few not so subtle ways. Plastics will inevitably increase in value though its allways been held as cheap, but not in the collectors market, but that was its original promise, etc etc, most people here can read this much into the chair I'm sure.
What about the ceramicist who casts porcelain teapots in the shape of plumbing fittings? Is that witty? Not to me, maybe I don't get that one. Or when Droog insert chair back into logs to make benches, theres all sorts of wit around and I suppose it just depends on if you think its sophisticated or not.
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posted by Heath
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great to read how much co...
great to read how much comment this chair has generated as it proves what this thing that we call a forum is all about,
The gold chair looks like something given away on Regis and Kelly , last week they gave the golden slipper, for high heel running, the golden fork, for grilling, the golden stool, for entrainment, so this could fit nicely with design if Gelman the producer buys it on ebay,
but on the other hand this is what make the world go around.
Girard had Brannif jets painted colors , Caulder did designes on the Jets, Roy Licenstine, painted BMWs, The Eames loved Stinebergs painting on their shell chairs,
If you all knew how difficult to redo a egg chair you would cringe so it must really mean something for Fritz Hansen to get behind the quilt project
who knows maybe it benefits AIDS cause quilts are the purest form of art work, and really are something if you study them but on a egg chair not my first, choice,
The last thing is color,
I live with it every day meaning my home and my wife who is the most colorful person on the planet, who else would have the foyer of our home painted , raspberry, the walls orange,
the dinning room citrus, and love it as well as 125 people who toured the home from the Architectural Society, in May.
I get about 50 shell chairs a month and most all want to be different after they have a conversation with me, most thing that putting Miller stripe on the chair, is stepping, out but Girard was doing this almost 50 years ago,
so next time you pass a vintage piece of furniture think what it would look like in Purple, or Red or Pink?
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Lloyd is right
I recently saw Jehane Kuhn speak - she worked at the Eames Office for the last decade of it's existence. When I asked her about the idea of reverence - that these pieces were icons her reply was basically - prototypes were treated with due respect to their history - but everyone around the office used whichever production chairs they could find. The furniture wasnt taken as seriously as the function it provided.
If too much reverence is placed on items they lose their purpose - like a hollow ritual instead of a living ceremony. While I probably wouldnt have a patchwork Egg chair I am happy that they are available. It shows that Fritz Hansen doesnt take themselves too seriously. This is, after all, the company that produced much of Panton's work....and Panton was NOT about being serious.
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and just for the hell of it
a 3d rendering I found on Flickr. Love it!
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not a fan
some things just don't make sense.
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Hmmm.
Yeah, I agree to some extent.
I am after all an art major therefore unless the artist can articulate "there vision" I call it everyday things bunched up together design as it maybe even for there basic elements (material, shapes, color etc.).
Kind of like a pile of garage, is trash art? Sure I guess it depends how you see it. I just don't want it in my house. :D
http://everydaytrash.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/trashtastic-t/...
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posted by SMGSwank
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Appropriate
From the perspective of a designer, I still think "it's just stuff, have at it, there are other things in life that may actually be sacred". For me personally, it would be great as a salvage project for a shell that had been drilled, cracked or terribly stained (we don't know what this one was like). Ive seen them get tossed for these flaws. It could be appropriate like what LRF does with his upholstering of shells. Don't be wastefull. Specifically for our gold one, I like it. It slays Ideas of preciousness with one big gesture. Especially on a shell that was never intended to be precious in the first place. To see how this works, imagine the same treatment done to a 670. It wouldn't work because they are already precious. So if it was intended as an artistic statement, it very clearly speaks to the human condition of obsessiveness in a decisive way. and clarity of message is one of the main goals of artistic speech. Perhaps the message bothers some posters here, but it put a big |
