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17-Jul-08 |
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Coffee table ID
Saw this on craigslist, like the shape. Can anyone ID? It won't work in my home, but if it's worth something perhaps I could resell and get someting that will.
It looks very well made. If it is solid teak it is certainly worth $20
Thanks!
http://chambana.craigslist.org/fur/758552636.html
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posted by dorieg
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17-Jul-08 |
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come on
it's $20 (twenty), & you want people here to help you out before committing to such an expensive purchase? you want somebody to tell you in advance that it's a valuable piece?
I mean, I'm sure you can ask $750 on 1stdibs, but......sorry for ranting, but this kind of "help me strike it rich without doing any real work" mentality pisses me off......
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posted by VinnyV
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18-Jul-08 |
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what do you mean by real work?
I am new to MCM so I I am trying to learn. Yes I would like to find something valuable that I could resell. But not for the sole purpose of profit. I want to collect some nice pieces on a limited budget and would like to parlay a profit to a piece better suited for my home. Not everyone here has the time or budget to collect the fancy shit you talk about here.
I will NEVER pay over $1000 for some collectible piece that is not who I am or how I live.
I am a stay at home mom of 2 kids. The $20 dollar piece means setting up an appointment across town, lugging them along, and possibly a return trip without carseats or renting a truck. My husband is frequently out of town, meaning I would also have to hire a sitter. I do not have time for casual scouting, estate sales, and the like, the internet is where I do that. I barely have time to shower. I have done all the internet research I could about this piece and didn't find any.
No my house is not a beautiful MCM showplace of pricey items, but that doesn't mean I cannot appreciate them and try to acquire some on a limited budget.
I found this place because I am excited about modern design. I appreciate good design. I don't know of many people in the middle of the corn in Illinois who do. But this type of arrogance is what turns people off. Like the mention in the thread about carpet referring to most of America as lazy for going to HOme Depot and the like.
How is my post any different than others of a similar nature? If you don't like these kinds of post than don't read them.
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posted by dorieg
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18-Jul-08 |
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As much as I've tried to avoid contributing to this topic
(not the table ID, the other one), it continually amazes me how so many people here are so quick to slam and judge people asking questions, as if the mere asking of the question is offensive to their oh-so-delicate sensibilities! As though somebody were standing next to them, physically restraining them so they could not avoid hearing the question being asked, and then demanding that they provide an answer! Yes, that is how some here appear when they respond in threads that they don't like or think is wasting their time.
Hey! I have news for some of you! You don't HAVE to read all the threads, and NOBODY is forcing you to answer any questions!! Really, you can choose to just answer within your little clique, that's fine, but you don't need to ridicule anyone else who wants to answer, or try to intimidate those who have the guts to ask questions in this envirnoment!
Why the hell does it matter what the price is or any thing else (except to the potential buyer/seller) in order to answer a question? It's very simple, you either recognize the table or you don't; if you do, you could perhaps post what you know; if not, then just don't post anything -- in fact, if the question offends you, just don't ever click on the thread again! I mean, really. These threads that you don't like are not somehow excluding you from participating in the threads you DO like, it's not like there's an either/or situation going on, this is a FORUM for chrissakes, discussion at the rate the individual chooses.
Most people who post questions for identification of a piece, are really not expecting that the readers are going to run to the library or other resources and start pouring through catalogues in order to help them (although some will and do, but that's their choice) - the idea is that some readers here might just KNOW what something is because they have run into it in the past. Is it really *that* offensive to ask such questions? I mean, REALLY? If so, then remind me, what's the point of a (ahem) "discussion" board?
Why should the OP feel she needs to justify her question to any of you?
GAWD, the frikken stuck up mentality around here is just beyond belief!
/rant
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posted by dashes
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18-Jul-08 |
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I agree
If it's solid teak, I would buy it for $20. A bit of sanding and oil, and it should look lovely. You could resell or save it for later. Sorry I can't help with the id.
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posted by woodywood
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18-Jul-08 |
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THe top is veneered I'm...
The top is veneered I'm sure, and very stained and damaged. A lot of work in cleaning that up.
If you look closely you can see where the octagonal framework of solid timber is visible on the outer edge and where the layer of ply has been glued over...(this is what it looks like to me), that alone tells you much.
I would pass.
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posted by Heath
edited on 18-Jul-08 01:56 AM [edit]
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18-Jul-08 |
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Thank you
That's all I wanted. I looked close at the pic and couldn't tell. If solid, then very easy to clean-up. If not, well.
I'm a newbie here and not knowledgeable at all. I just ask to be treated with kid gloves. I like this place because I would venture to guess that if I mentioned Eames to anyone I know, they would have no idea who he is. This is an outlet for me to learn and get excited about design.
I can regognize quailty in person not so well from pics. I did score a Dux chair for $5. A kind person here ID's after I purchased and also led me to a place documenting how to recover. That was wonderful, and an example of the internet at its best. IMHO.
Now the Dux chair is maybe not my first choice in a chair, but I love the fact that I found it for cheap (budget friendly) and will keep it. Isn't some of the fun in acquiring MCM furnishings, etc, in the process of the "find?"
As for trying to profit. I saw a Heywood Wakefield end table on craigslist listed for $20. Similar items sell for 200+. I never got it, it sold to someone else, but I really wanted to tell the seller about it's value and pass.
If there is a more pedestrian design forum similar to this one - perhaps more geared toward interior design - I would love to know about it.
Sorry for all the ranting in the previous post.
Thanks
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posted by dorieg
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18-Jul-08 |
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Get this table its quite smart...and kid proof...the form calls out to be painted...
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posted by azurechicken
edited on 18-Jul-08 02:43 AM [edit]
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18-Jul-08 |
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other forums
Dorieg:
Apartmentherapy.com is quite good for basic midcentury modern design ideas and ID questions and not as, uh, cerebral as what you may find here. The US ebay forums are also quite good at answering ID questions. (I'm not familiar with other countries' ebay sites, they may also be good). However, you will never find on those discussion sites the exquisite links that these guys find: Arts & Architecture cover prints for sale; Duncan Gowdy's artwork critique responded to by no less than the artist, himself; design and construction analyzed in minutiae, and on and on and on.
If you are asking an honest opinion and not trying to pull someone's leg, you will find it here and be welcome here. BTW, I have never seen your table anywhere and have no idea who made it, but I question that it is teak, it looks lighter to me. Possibly maple or fruitwood?
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posted by Riki
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18-Jul-08 |
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Cerebral?
One need only go read the "removing dents in forum" thread to get an idea of how cerebral this place can be.
It may be something, but cerebral isn't what I'd call it.
(I have to edit this to say that there are some very cerebral posters here, and I appreciate them very much - so no offense to them - I'm just mocking the ones who *think* they are but clearly wouldn't know the difference. Great, now I'm sure to have pissed everyone off. Again.)
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posted by dashes
edited on 18-Jul-08 03:34 AM [edit]
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18-Jul-08 |
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Whoa!
Eaaasy, dots, eaaasy now. It doesn't take much to get you riled, does it? One little MICROSCOPIC observation and you're off to the races! I believe I was addressing my remarks to dorieg.
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posted by Riki
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18-Jul-08 |
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Funny I guess
this did turn into an interesting discussion about the forum. I do appreciate all the the things discussed here. Sorry about the reference to "fancy shit". The knowledge of the posters is incredible.
I guess I have been guilty of trying to score a home run with a craigslist find after a few other lucky finds. Really, I like the table and its form, if it is indeed well made I might just paint it and hand it off to the kiddos. It could be a very attractive kids table. Teak, probably not, maple maybe.
And yes, I love Apt. Therapy. lots of budget friendly and smart ideas there.
Thanks for all the comments.
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posted by dorieg
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18-Jul-08 |
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LOL Riki
You're lucky I like you for some odd reason.
And you want me to rant about the impossibility of "butting" into a forum discussion?
Nah, I'm not that easily provoked, contrary to (I suppose) popular opinion.
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posted by dashes
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18-Jul-08 |
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Dammit dorieg, please don't apologize
Who the hell CARES what these (fake) snobs say about "trying to profit" from reselling stuff?!
HELLO?? Um, how many designers would be in business if they weren't prostituting themselves by (gasp!) SELLING their services (oh my!)
WTF is wrong with buying low and selling high? Hmmmmm?? Why would you apologize for that?
Appreciating design and wanting to survive financially are NOT mutually exclusive endeavors!
Sorry. The forum is just too slow some days. (too bad there are no emoticons in this forum - I worry that my sense of humor is lost on many)
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posted by dashes
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18-Jul-08 |
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Gee, thanks
Gee, thanks, dots, I feel really special now.
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posted by Riki
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18-Jul-08 |
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...and I know if there were emoticons, there would have been a smilie
You're trying to be the tough austere designer-type, but you don't fool me.
It's ok, I really *do* like, really like, most of the regular posters here. And I understand that artistic people can tend to be tempermental and (easily provoked?) sometimes they post terse comments that don't feel too good, I know, I know.
And for me, the only way to deal with it is to bring it up and speak out. So, until whoever runs this place (whoever that is, because I really don't know) bans me, that's what I'll do.
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posted by dashes
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18-Jul-08 |
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Since you brought it up, Dashes--
I admit that I find it irksome when people post pictures of mediocre (or worse) furniture, when done for the sole purpose of "identification". Obviously, the poster is hoping that they'll be told that it's an "important" piece by an "important" designer.
When the piece in question is plainly at odds with the basic precepts of modern design, as they often are, the request for ID seems absurd-- designers of inferior, copy-catty, dishonest furniture just aren't remembered, years later.
Such posts betray a genuine lack of understanding of what modernism is about-- ignorance is forgivable, but ignorance coupled with a mercenary motive is kind of unsavory.
If one has a new-found interest in modern design, their time might be better spent reading and looking at examples, rather than asking people if their latest find is "valuable". If you're able to recognize what's valuable aesthetically, you're far more likely to score financially, if that's your aim.
It's not snobbery, it's exasperation! When a photo of a mediocre piece of furniture is posted here with, say, a repair question, the poster is never jeered. But, a sad wood-grain laminate table in need of "attribution" tends to antagonize.
(P.S. My remarks aren't aimed at you, Dorieg. As it happens, I was rather snappish with another poster a few weeks ago, on this same subject. I'm taking this opportunity to explain and defend the perceived "snobbery". Dashes did, after all, encourage discussion in this discussion forum.)
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posted by william-holden-caulfield
edited on 18-Jul-08 07:35 PM [edit]
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18-Jul-08 |
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'Dashes' is being somewhat di...
'Dashes' is being somewhat disingenuous here as of course he is none other than the 'Dots' of recent fame on this forum amd memorable for throwing a very major tantrum when challenged over one of his (many) id threads where he didn't want to reveal exactly what the item was for fear that a viewer would bid against him on Ebay. In a rather nice Ministry of Truth style manouever he deleted all his 'Dots' posts and returned as Dashes (geddit?). I really wasn't going to mention it but as dots/dashes ('colon' would be better) himself uses this forum as a place to id any and every bit of junk he sees on ebay and craigslist I though I would.
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posted by paulanna
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18-Jul-08 |
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I will not get into any slanging match at all but these angry posters really are very tiresome and aggravate a lot of other people here. I think they must like doing it.
I'f you'd like to know who runs the forum why don't you have a look at this link?
Maryann Scott, Stephen and now Dashes. Its as if they were invited to dinner and begin to explain to everyone how awful the other guests are, which of course isn't very intelligent.
Charming people, I do wish they'd bugger off.
http://www.designaddict.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/about/
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posted by Heath
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18-Jul-08 |
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Oh, fun, it's time to play dogpile again
Mixed messages are sent when the forum claims to be all for helping identify items, and yet if the item in question does not satisfy whatever criteria certain people here have, then rather than just ignore the post, or even just post that you think the item is crap, you proceed to castigate the poster for asking questions that you deem unacceptable to this forum. And then of course, accuse the poster of all sorts of dark motives.
Let me boil it down to a simple question, and let's see if the discussion can focus on this question: what is the problem with people posting ID questions, no matter how many and how often and from whatever source, why does it matter? Either readers will know the designer or not, and can post yea or nay or nothing at all. If there are no replies to a thread, the thread soon sinks off the page to be soon forgotten. So why keep attacking people who post such questions? I just don't understand.
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posted by dashes
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re: oops!
well, I started this, so I guess I'm obliged to return. one problem with the internet is that it's hard to express subtle or mild affects--everything gets hot. i was mildly irritated, by what I took to be a mildly irritating demand. (why not at least buy the $20 table (if it's structurally sound, and a table, it's worth $20), take a decent photo, then ask about it?) but i was only mildly irritated. so i should have kept my mouth shut. rereading, the tone of the initial inquiry still rubs me the wrong way, but evidently I'm in the minority, so it's just my problem....
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posted by VinnyV
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19-Jul-08 |
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Dots & Dashes
In answer to Dashes' most recent question: whats the problem with ID questions: There is nothing inherently wrong, but I think a number of factors affect why some react the way they do.
Issues with Newbies:
1) Lots of people assume ALL MCM/Modern design must be designed by someone famous. To those who know otherwise it can be tiresome to be constantly asked about anonymous designs.
2)Using DA as a first resort. (see #1 below also) Any design book will do a decent job separating the wheat from the chaff. A little research is better than the seemingly lazy "ID Please"
3)There are postings that just smack of profiteering. Some folks are more apt to help out a poor student who made a miracle find than an established dealer eeking out more dough by adding a brand name.
Issues with Old Salts
1) lots of the knowledge here is very specialized. It can be seen as a waste of time & energy to deal with 'petty' questions.
2) Some posters want, as they should be allowed, to have cerebral discussions. It can be disheartening to someone wishing a meta discussion to see a forum flooded with amateur questions. Caveat - not every poster has to weigh in on every discussion.
3) A forgetfulness that knowledge needs to come from somewhere. We all started by asking the same questions.
A little flexibility, humility, and respect on both sides should be encouraged. And definitely a sense of humor.
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posted by LuciferSum
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Identify My Item
Might I suggest an 'identify my Item' thread?
Those that have a problem can ignore it, and those that enjoy the detective work can post ?
It happens in other groups and fora
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robert1960 I think that's a great idea
And LuciferSum, good points in your post, very well articulated.
I can only speak for myself, but it would be a very rare occasion if I were to use DA as a first resort, like something that is time critical, but even then, I'd be doing research in parallel. I tend to spend hours exhausting all the sources I have and know about before asking here. But sometimes, even just posting here gets another clue that eventually leads to the ID.
Sometimes I'll see a design that for the life of me, I cannot identify or find another one - and after awhile, I conclude that if it were by an "important" designer, then it wouldn't be so difficult to determine, because there would be documentation somewhere. But I know that this is not always the case, that some designs just are not well documented, maybe because a piece was commissioned and is unique (which is what I suspect is the case with a table I posted about awhile back, a (maybe) Paul Laszlo)
But I know that I have learned an awful lot just in the couple of months that I've been reading here -- I've learned how to carefully examine the design and construction of pieces, things to look for, things to avoid, and for that I thank so many of you for contributing your knowledge and expertise here. I'm in the process of exchanging the furniture in my household to MCM, but I'm on a thrift-store budget, so it helps to not be exchanging one piece of crap for another, lol.
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