10-Nov-08
Another Nelson clock question
Hello, we have a dilemma with a vintage Nelson clock we own. The clock in question is a vintage Howard Miller walnut(?) spike clock with the AC plug directly on the back of the clock. The clock is by no means a museum piece but does work and is in good enough condition to use and display. The question is do any of you own this style plug and what have you done with them? I am aware of the round recessed receptacles these clocks use but have not been able locate one. And even if I do I'm not sure I want to rip a hole in a wall to rewire this receptacle. The other option is a local shop has said they could convert the clock to battery operation. I am currently on the fence about this option but honestly leaning that way because I would rather enjoy the clock than have it sitting in a closet for another 4 years while I try to find the right receptacle.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
PT
posted by MCMLII
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12-Nov-08
My two cents...
You're never going to make a mint on a spike clock. They're very common (there are usually about 3 a week on ebay); and they're relatively inexpensive. Accordingly, if you want to enjoy your clock and have it actually tell time, by all means have the battery-powered motor installed. Of course, depending on cost, you might want to just consider buying the Vitra model, which comes that way, and preserve the model you have.

If it were a rarer Nelson clock, I would try to dissuade you from altering it in any respect. It significantly devalues the clock to most collectors.
posted by MidMod50
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12-Nov-08
at the same time
While these may not be rare now, these designs are only getting older and older. You could just give it to me for safe keeping and buy yourself a new one ;)
posted by whitespike
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13-Nov-08
Thanks for the input. We...
Thanks for the input.

We do own some Vitra clocks now and are happy with them. This was just a clock we received for free and are hoping to put to good use. I just talked to the clock shop and it sounds like the arms would need to be replaced also when the motor is replaced. Obviously not a fan of this option and assume this also means losing the second hand, again not something I want. So maybe we'll just hang for display and to admire.

And if I do run out of space for all my junk, which I am dangeroulsy close to any day, Whitespike you'll be the first person I contact to keep it safe for me :)
posted by MCMLII
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13-Nov-08
Does the clock have to run?
I know it sounds silly, but running or not, I think they still look great on a wall. I think it is great to own an original, and I am sure it will only increase in value. I just bought a Weinberg clock, and I am going to hang it for show. I dont want the cord running down the wall, so I will hide it inside the clock and not run it. Just a thought!
posted by rockybird
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13-Nov-08
Assuming that this is model 2202, then
all of the above comments are correct. Black spikes and brass center with the proper Nelson hands (hour hand is black with a brown tip and the minute hand is black with a grey tip) as well as the second hand,

2202A Sunburst 19"
White center, birch spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey
2202B Sunburst 19"
White center, walnut spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey
2202C Sunburst 19"
Black center, white spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey
2202E Sunburst 19"
Brass center, black spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey
2202M Sunburst 19"
White center, multicolor spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey

However, there WAS a large Sunburst clock and it's darn rare:
2230B Large Sunburst 30"
White center, walnut spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey
2230E Large Sunburst 30:
Brass center, black spokes. Black hands with accents of orange and grey

probably all of the variants exist for 2230, but these are what I have discovered thus far.

As far as the direct plug in the back, any good clock or electrian can remove it and instyall a regular electric cord and plug.
posted by barrympls
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13-Nov-08
You can always convert the...
You can always convert the clock to using a power cord if you don't mind the cord running down the wall. Just unscrew the plug currently on it (and save it!), which will expose the two wires running from the motor letting you hook up the cord. Easy peasy.
posted by brbeard
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13-Nov-08
You beat me to it Barry. ...
You beat me to it Barry. (Though really, it's a DIY sort of thing -- definitely no professionals required.)
posted by brbeard
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13-Nov-08
barry
I just bought a 2230 multicolor spike w/white painted wood body off ebay recently. It does not have the model designation on the label. Your suspicion about other variants is correct.
posted by glassartist
edited on 13-Nov-08 03:06 PM  [edit]
 
13-Nov-08
I think I saw that large one on eBay
as the price got way out of my price range! Really cool for you to have one.

As far as changing the direct plug to a cord, I'm not troubled by electric cords. The problem with those direct-plug models, is to change them to a cord is a bit more complicated.

The electric cord clocks had a solid flat back plate that allowed the clock to sit solid against the wall and their was a notch hole for the cord to run down without affecting that solid back. If you just changed the wires for a cord, your clock would rest on the cord, not the back of the clock and it would sit uneven on the wall.

I've never bought one of those direct plug clocks, but I have imagined that you might be able to remove the plug and flip the back around so the flat inside would be the new flat outside. Then all you'd have to do is make a cord notch on the bottom of the clock.
posted by barrympls
edited on 13-Nov-08 03:16 PM  [edit]
 
14-Nov-08
Thanks for all the great...
Thanks for all the great info. And thanks for the models Barrympls, I hadn't seen the model numbers before. Ours is a 19" white face, walnut spikes, black hands with orange and grey. Unfortunately someone has painted the accent colors to blue and white. Going to see if I can safely remove that paint then hang the clock for show.

posted by MCMLII
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14-Nov-08
This is my Spike or Starburst clock
#2202

This clock was certainly the most popular of the Nelson clocks with the exception of the Ball clock. Lots of 'em around, to be sure...but I'm lucky to win the electric clock below, which, to my eyes, is probably the best color combination.

(It did come with a second hand, but I keep moving it around to electric clocks I've gotten more recently)!
posted by barrympls
edited on 14-Nov-08 04:59 AM  [edit]
 
14-Nov-08
Lets bump the challenge of...
Lets bump the challenge of this up a notch... Since most original clocks were plug and cord, what models were produced with wind up? I know the ball and spike clocks were...any others?
posted by WoofWoof
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14-Nov-08
Oh sure, plenty more were. ...
Oh sure, plenty more were. The wind-up movements seem to be attached to a certain period of time in Howard Miller's history, not just to certain models. I don't know when they stopped using wind-ups, but, if we can determine that (didn't a few people buy a horde of reproduction catalogs a while back?) then we can pretty much determine which had wind-up and which couldn't possibly have it. I've seen at least four other models with wind-ups -- the eye clock, the sunflower clock (I think), and...I don't recall the name of the other two unfortunately...fairly obscure models though.
posted by brbeard
edited on 14-Nov-08 06:42 AM  [edit]
 
14-Nov-08
You're right:
Most of the 1947-1954-ish clocks were available in electric, wind-up, and battery.

But, it's important to note that if you buy a wind-up clock and the motor's broken, most clock repair places cannot fix it because apparently no one makes a wall clock wind-up motor these days.

I won a weird clock on eBay this year and it spring was wound too tight and couldn't be fixed, so my clock repair guy had to put in a battery motor as a replacement...so now I got a clock with a key wound hole for no reason!

2258B 11 1/2 around and 2 1/2 deep
Amitco vinyl face, white hour indicators and numerals with black inserts, copper rim. Brass hour hand with white accent and copper minute hand with black accent. In Alabaster Beige
electric $25.00
8-day wind $25.00
battery $35.00

posted by barrympls
edited on 14-Nov-08 05:47 PM  [edit]
 
16-Nov-08
Nelson Grandfather Clock?
I had seen some of you comment with passion and expertise on prices and models of Nelson Clocks in the past and wonder what you think of the clock I see presently listed on eBay:

I have never owned a Nelson Clock before, but I found this same Grandfather Clock recently. The seller seems optimistic on the pricing of his/her listing since it appears that three of the five finials are missing from the top, and the wood panel covering the works in back is also missing. The pictures don't exactly give a complete picture of condition. The form certainly isn't an iconic example, but what do you collectors think of this clock? I'd love to know... thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Howard-Miller-Grandfather-Clock-by-Geor8...
posted by hazel
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16-Nov-08
It's a nice, honest, handsome
1950's styled Grandfather clock; the only one designed by the Nelson Office until the lucite ones from the 1960's (still Nelson?...who knows?).

It's featured in my 1965 Howard Miller/Nelson reprint brochure at a whopping $295.00, in the following variations:

2256a Teak wood with padded green velvet-covered background section.

2256b same with black velvet

2256c Walnut wood with padded green velvet

2256d Walnut wood with padded black velvet

2256e Teak or Walnut - special fabric as supplied with order!

I'd love to have one, but the one on eBay is outta my price range.
posted by barrympls
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16-Nov-08
Thanks Barry!
I was hoping you, a knowledgeable collector, would respond. Mine is, according to your kindly supplied brochure info is:
2256c Walnut wood with padded green velvet.

Olive Green Velveteen may be making a comeback, but probably not at that price in this market.

Thanks Again
posted by hazel
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17-Nov-08
With one exception, that clock has never been in the price range the ebay seller is asking...
and, without most of the finials, I'd say it's close to worthless. The finials are the most interesting part of the design. Even if you could manufacture more of the side finials, the center finial is more complicated to recreate. I'd say save your money...


Modern Design
10 October 2006 12:00pm


328
George Nelson & Associates
grandfather clock, model #2256-D
Estimate: $2,000?3,000
Result: $3,240
view


Modern Design
20 March 2004 12:00pm


420
George Nelson & Associates
grandfather clock, model #2256
Estimate: $2,500?3,500
Result: $6,490
view


Modern Design
01 October 2000 12:00pm


144
George Nelson
Grandfather clock, model 2256
Estimate: $3,500?4,500
Result: $4,313
view
posted by MidMod50
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17-Nov-08
I agree, MidMod
the clock has to be near perfect and still, it's not worth the amazing prices often being asked.

I guess it's because it's the one vintage floor model clock Nelson's gang designed at the height of their Howard Miller relationship.

On the other hand, isn't amazing how expensive any table model clock fetches? To date, I don't have a single table model clock because I'm not willing to pay the ridiculous prices...heck, I won't even spring for a Vitra one! Yet I have over 38 wall clocks..........go figure.
posted by barrympls
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