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What would you do about this lonely Bertoia?
I have been staring at this poor chair down in my landlord's garden for nine months now. I have seen it sit in this one spot through lawn-cuttings, fall leaves and heaps of snow. My landlords are a Swiss-German and a Ukraine. They have very, very limited English. My French is fine when ordering dinner and wine but not so great when trying to finagle a chair from a garden.
Question(s). Do you think they know that their abandoned garden chair is fabulous? Should I steal it when we get transferred back to the States in 3 years?
Soliciting creative responses.
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Perhaps
They are using it as lawn art.
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Actually,
they are very artsy-fartsy, now that you mention it. Do you think they will notice if it goes missing? I do have a random Mr. Chair that I could stick out there as a replacement.
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Take it
And leave a ransom note.
Or better yet, leave a Louis Ghost chair in its place. That'll show them!
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You should definitely steal it.
Then, once you're back in the states, you should bring it with you on all vacation trips.
You should then photograph the lonely Bertoia chair in front of major tourist sites such as the Grand Canyon, La Brea Tar Pits, Grauman's Chinese Theatre, Statue of Liberty, Ground Zero, wherever. Mail the photographs to the previous owners, over the course of a decade or two.
It'll drive them crazy, and it'll teach them a valuable lesson about the proper stewardship of iconic American chairs.
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Didn't
we go through this whole stealing furniture thing once before?
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There's stealing
then there's rescue and liberation. Similar, but not always exactly the same.
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Yes, if I remember right, I t...
Yes, if I remember right, I think the consensus was that you (or thou or Riki) shall not steal, unless, of course, you see something similar in a McDonald's parking lot.
Sounds like good advice.
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Well, gang
we have 3 years to ponder this question. What to leave in place of the appropriated Bertoia?
I'm thinking something in the Mahogany Association line of Grandma's discards. Brent? What do you think?
Or, perhaps, a nice Di Frutta-inspired aluminum lawn chair with plastic webbing in a faux leopard print.
The possibilities are endless. However, rest assured, this Bertoia will be liberated from its' cruel environment. After all, it was only 18 degrees Fahrenheit today. It's just sad on so many levels.
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I used to concern myself with...
I used to concern myself with these kind of finds. Now I just enjoy watching them in their natural habitat. It's odd to see them being regarded as just another chair. See if you can do it. You'll find yourself enjoying its awkward presence.
I have been watching a Mr. Chair in my brother's landlord's back yard of junk of over a year now ... through rain and shine. I also worked in a place with over 300 eames shells ... many of which ended up outside as smoker's chairs.There were so many that there would be herds of them on top of each other shoved in vacant office corners. Your particular situation reminds me of that old Pierre Paulin ad with a brightly hued tongue chair sitting on an old house's front porch, with a bearded redneck in overalls playing the banjo on the steps.
The bet one I've seen is a pair of vintage barcelona's sitting on the front porch in the hood of my hometown. After some investigation, I learned that the user with a morbidly obese African American lady without legs. She used them pushed together so she could lay down on them and wave at traffic. As much as I wanted them, I really appreciated how they were being used. You just can't make that shit up.
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No,
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Perhaps I need to mention
that my landlord is an ex-Supreme Court Justice of Switzerland who was the first ever in the history of the country to be asked to resign his life-appointed post because he SPIT on a German journalist who pissed him off?
Sorry, forgot to mention that. That's why I'm a little scared to steal the man's chair.
I really don't want to be spat upon.
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Patrick & Alix
I know you have been missin' my posts. Just thought I'd liven things up a bit around here.
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I really enjoy WHC...
I really enjoy WHC kidnapping approach...but it takes the right person to take this kind of humor.
You could look at it this way. You have a wonderful collection in your home, and looking outside, the Bertoia is an continuation of this. I would leave it be, there's plenty in existence.
Instead, maybe you could get them another one?
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Whitespike you win...
..hands down every time with that story, hilarious. Why not just ask for it as I have done on two different occasions. First time I saw a black Eames chair drove past it several times night and day the chair was just outside. Finally decided to inquire about it, the owners didn?t speak English, so I sent my friend who speaks Russian and got that one. The Bertoia chair I saw it sitting on a porch in a country house drove right up and asked if he would sell it. He ended up giving it to me for the best price of all FREE99.
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Spikey,
next time you are in Mississippi visiting the fam, I've got a Mr. Chair, disassembled in about 5 pieces, but still perfectly good, that you can have if you want it. None of my children are interested and it is collecting dust in the laundry room.
Easter? To bring the boy home to see his kin?
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Ha ha ha
great thread... I would "nick" the chair for sure. replace it with some pieces of wire that you put on the ground and tell them a fox must have attacked it. Quite a few hungry foxes in the swiss alps I hear :-)
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No --
of course you do not take someone's property without permission -- I'm sorry.
The Golden Rule -- you know that one ? How would you feel if someone did that to you ? It's an insult, if nothing else: "He's stupid, and I'm smart." Thanks a lot !
Come on -- if you want it, ask for it. It shouldn't even be a question, for heaven's sake, and I'm sure you know that -- right ? [smily face here]
If a bank or a faceless and greedy corporation (for instance) used the reasoning "I know what to do with this property better than you do," what do you think we'd say ? How is an individual's action any different ?
You might even make a new friend (or in this case, improve a relationship) !
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Hi SDR
I think we are all having a laugh..of course it's wrong to steal but it does no harm to joke frome time to time ;-)
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As long as it is joking.
I have one in the field outside my garden.
it'll pinch ya!-broken spokes!
It looks good from a distance. But i rescued it from a E Village
garbage heap. Not worth restoring.
I like it where it is. If someone drove along and thought
i was some hillbilly and had no business owning it and took
it, that would be stealing.
I have way too many spare emeco chairs that i often leave out.
(from a NJ asylum that went out of business for obvious political reasons)
They look good around the garden table. They were free. From the garbage.
Hundreds of them.
And they look great on the landscape...and around my old airstream.
We only go up on weekends in the better seasons.
(wood stove heat only, a bit off the grid) Sucks that we have to lock
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rusty chair yard art
I had one in my back yard for years-with bikini seat and back. I kept it there because I thought of it as yard art and couldn't bear to toss it. My wife asked me repeatedly to get rid of it as she thought it an eyesore. Regretfully, it looked so tough with not much paint and it's bikini in pieces, I finally carried it to the trash one sad day...........
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Interesting !
Sounds like there may be a theme going, there -- three Bertoia yard chairs and counting. . .
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Maybe ya'll can start...
Maybe ya'll can start searching abandoned Bertoia chairs to pilfer using google maps satellite view.
I found a rusty shipwreck on a south Pacific atoll. Quite proud of myself really!
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I also saw a pair of black tu...
I also saw a pair of black tulip arm chairs (Saarinen) by a swimming pool (above ground) outside of a trailer once ... in the middle of nowhere MS. That was funny.
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The posters
on here from Europe probably just had to google "above ground swimming pool". To picture one of those with tulip chairs around it is just hilarious.
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I watched this old Panton chair
move around the yard for weeks in this realy bad neighborhood. I knew someone had to be using it, but am quite sure for them it was only a place to sit their fat ass. Finally, one week it got closer to the fence and I thought about lifting it over the fence and throwing a nice folding patio chair back over...but the next day it was gone! I am sure someone else had there eye on it to. I see nice chairs on patio's in bad neighborhoods all the time! I guess I should learn enough spanish to translate "Give me your chair or I'll have you deported! A couple a years ago on the Big Island of Hawaii I had to take the trash to the dump as they don't have pick-up service and low and behold the Trashmen where lounging on two "Elda" chairs by Colombo...I offered them 50 bucks for the chairs, they declined, saying they where not allowed to resell the trash!
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff125/visitord4/IMG_4112g...
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I love that photo. I think th...
I love that photo. I think that these modern furniture advertisers should take these real life photos for adverts. Would be a fun campaign to show how universal some designs have become.
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Dear Riki...
I think we all agree that it is indeed a Harry Bertoia creation and that the garden of a former Supreme Court judge in Switzerland seems to be an appropriate place for it. It is better than having it in the possession of a Swiss banker, where it would be completely hidden...or the Swiss police who would send it back to an American prison for suspicion that a naked child has been sitting on it...What we do not like is the suspicion of disrespect that comes with the way it is treated, so my proposal is to provide for a suitable black marble base and put it on top as we would do with any piece of art displayed in a park. The next step is of course to provide it with a name plate spelling out the artist's name, the dates marking the beginning and the end of his life, and a short explanation on what it represents. In this case "chair" would be closest to the truth, and finally, the materials used.
Beyond that we can only hope that the judge understands the sudden value of the piece, remembers that his neighbour, who is probably American because her German is not very good and in French she always orders dinner and wine is probably the right person to appreciate this art. Considering his need for redemption for spitting a journalist in the face he will certainly consider giving it to her?.which would be a happy ending.
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Koen,
if I wasn't already married, I would marry you. I am going out to find a black marble pedestal next week and put the plan in motion. Ciao, ciao, Riki
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To rescue or not to steal
100% you should leave it exactly where it is.....now if you could tell us where that is, just so we have a clearer idea of its geographical location of course.
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I'd respray it green, gradual...
I'd respray it green, gradually, bit by bit, over a few months.. the owners will think it disappeared, quite naturally, in their lovely garden. Then steal it..
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...when I was 18 or so...
...my dear mother mentioned in one of these serious mother/son conversations that I should get used to the idea of never getting married. She warned me that there was something with my looks and character that did not appeal to the opposite sex.
...a sudden revolt of those hormones that had a direct interest in the matter made me speechless at the time...
now almost 50 years later I know I should have answered: "...just wait until a Swiss supreme court judge get too busy with his Ukrainian wife and abandons a Bertoia chair in his garden!..."
I also know my mother enough to know the answer: "you see! That's what I mean!"
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shame..
shame.. I'm thick and boring..
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Dear DC
...I fear that what you are suggesting could be seen by the Swiss authorities as the equivalent of building a minaret, a structure that has been voted illigal by the Swiss people...
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I have no doubt everyone...
I have no doubt everyone involved in this thread, now has a file with the Swiss secret service.
Bulding and playing with minarets are two different things. This observation is now an offical government document.
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@DCW
...personally I prefer the genuine article to reproductions in minature
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Dear Woufwouf (does that sounds like a German Sheppard?)
I am sorry to say so, but we were already getting some attention of the SAP. Let me describe the pieces of the puzzle, you might want to put them together.
...On this forum, back in 2002...our friend goretzki mentioned in his contribution the coded phrase: "Anything by Memphis"
...ever since the word Memphis has been regularly used on this forum, most of the contributors pretended that they were writing about an bunch of Italian designers?
...according to his own testimony in the "Tribune de Genève" Christian X...alias Sayyid infiltrates the Islamic centre of Geneva directed by Hani Ramadan as a spy! This operation of the SAP is called "Memphis"
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Olive...
It only stands to reason that you would prefer originals to reproductions regardless of scale. You are a person of exquisite taste blessed with a keen sense of proportion, scale, massing and elegance of line, texture, color and form in the function of service. :-)
Vive la difference!
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Koen...
What you suggest about Switzerland caused me to Google:
Which country in the world has the most sexually satisfied women and which has the least? I found this.
By The Associated Press, Apr. 19, 2006
The top five and bottom five nations on scale of rates of sexual satisfaction reported to University of Chicago researchers:
Most Satisfied:
1. Austria: 71.4 percent satisfied with their sex lives.
2. Spain: 69 percent.
3. Canada: 66.1 percent.
4. Belgium: 64.6 percent.
5. United States: 64.2 percent.
Least Satisfied:
25. Thailand: 35.9 percent.
26. China: 34.8 percent.
27. Indonesia: 33.9 percent.
28. Taiwan: 28.6 percent.
29. Japan: 25.7 percent.
Freud may have thrown up his hands trying figure out what women want, but his fellow Austrians persisted and seem to have made some progress. :-)
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DCW
did you just tell Olive that she had good mass? Aren't you the charmer!
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Dear DC...
I am still searching for the reason you found in my contribution to google the published results...you must have had other and better reasons?but I am pleased that Belgium and Canada are so close. In other words in these pre-Olympic days, I can not be blamed for taking the Canadian average down...I also know why Austria would be this high on the list. It has nothing to do with the length of the lederhosen and the ease with which the average Austrian can get out of them. Anybody that has visited Austria knows the legendary comfort of their beds (in keeping with the subject of this forum: design)Not only are they soft, the softness caresses your resting body while a warm cloud-like cover hovers over you in gravity defiant lightness. A slight odour of fresh cut cedar competes for your attention with a diminuendo last movement of a Mozart symphony in some remote rococo mountain chapel?.who needs a partner for whom you are just another feather in his hat?
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Gee DCW!
How nice! Riki...I do have a lot of mass...but apparently I also have a lot of good taste! So I am massively tasteful! :-)
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I'm sorry Koen
but I think the Austrian women are so satisfied because the men-folk are otherwise occupied out in the barn and they are on the slopes with the hot ski instructors "learning to make the turns smoothly". :)
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Dear Riki...
My mistake....why do designers always think about products first? With Austria so close to your place...you should know!
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Olive and Rikki...
Rest assured that I was thinking only of Olive's admirably open appreciation for the original...and its massing. :-)
Truly sensuous and erotic women are so rare and so desirable that men who love to love them quickly learn that weight--high, low, or in the middle--is irrelevant.
Besides, haven't you noticed? Everyone, including one's self, looks 20 pounds lighter and ten years younger after an orgasm.
Ah, romance and sex! They are the only things I will really miss, when I leave this mortal coil.
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Koen...
Your suggestion that the Swiss authorities might frown on deft and timely clitoral stimulation made me think how pitifully unhappy a country's women would be were they made to make due only with minarets, real, or synthetic. :-)
So I did what any gentleman devoted to opening doors for women would. I googled which countries of women were being erotically short-changed by the instiutions and conventions of their cultures and contemplated visiting...as a kind of ambassador, if you will.
Travel, as Sinclair Lewis once wrote, can be so broadening. :-)
"When the moon hits your eye/
Like a big pizza pie/
That's amore!"
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