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Fake or authentic Sarrinen tulip table?

- 02 Feb 2014 -
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I have recently started research about Saarinen?s dining table. I am overwhelmed to say the least. I recently looked at a table at a vintage modern store. It is described as ?EERO SAARINEN FOR KNOLL TEAK TULIP DINING TABLE? with the price tag of $2800. Here is where I?m confused: it has a Knoll sticker, with a 1960 stamp, but the address on the sticker isn?t this same as Knoll stickers I have seen on the internet. Address is 745 Park Avenue and I?ve seen 320 Park Avenue on other vintage Knoll stickers. The base has visible screws. The top of the base doesn?t directly attach to the table top. There is a round barrier between the two. The edge of the base was bumpy. I have read that the base directly attaches to the top of an authentic piece. I was slightly interested in this table until I did a bit of research. Why does this table, in one way, not fit the criteria of an authentic Saarinen but has a Knoll sticker?

Fake or authentic Sarrinen tulip table?
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- 02 Feb 2014

I cannot really answer your question,
but you might find some of the responses in the linked post helpful. You'll notice that the top is visibly screwed onto a wood disk that is then attached to the pedestal. The smaller tables don't have the wood disk, the table screws directly onto the pedestal.

I'm by no means an expert, but the table appears real to me.

http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/th...

- 03 Feb 2014

Wood disk
How can you tell from the photo that it's attached to a wooden disk? I thought authentic were suppose to be void of that.

- 03 Feb 2014

Frankly, you can't tell from the photos you posted how the top is connected,
but your statement

"The base has visible screws. The top of the base doesn't directly attach to the table top. There is a round barrier between the two."

appears to describe the way the tops of the larger tables are attached.

*edited to add that the final picture you've added to the original post, showing the underside of the table where the top and base connect, is correct*

- 03 Feb 2014

Knoll Address
I believe Knoll moved to 745 Fifth Avenue in 1970, so having that label with a 1960 stamp sets off alarm bells....

(edit)....or unless the stamp is actually 1980.....

- 04 Feb 2014

Looks real to me.
The date on the stamp must be 1980, not 1960 (ZIP codes didn't exist before 1963, the company wasn't called "Knoll International" until 1968, their Fifth Avenue showroom opened in 1970).

- 04 Feb 2014

Gorgeous table.
And it looks best with the wood top, methinks. Simply lovely.

Best,

Aunt Mark

- 07 Feb 2014

It looks plenty real, to me.
My 47" Saarinen table has a wooden disc to which the base attaches without screws, but then 3 screws that attach the laminate top to the wooden disc. I've seen plenty with the 6-screws in the disc as is pictured above.

There are no screws connecting base to top on either of the side tables I have. I believe that the whole "no screws"-conversation may have arisen for distinguishing Burke tables from authentic Saarinen. Over time, "no obvious screw holes connecting base directly to table top" becomes "Eero Saarinen never used a screw in his entire life. Anyone with screws in their table is a LIAR."

The bevel on the table pictured above also looks genuine. I believe it's a 1/4" roundover into a 45 degree angle, and I'm prett sure that's what I'm seeing above.

Either way, it looks beautiful, and with the family history you describe, I couldn't imagine ever selling it, were I you.

For all intents and purposes, it's got the right parts and a label. SO - it's real. Tell anyone who dares question the authenticity of the piece to leave your dinner party at once.

- 07 Feb 2014

Screws
Both of my 50's oval side tables have two small screws connecting base to top.

- 10 Feb 2014

One more thing....
The wooden disc attaches to the aluminum base using a long threaded rod that bolts through the base of the table.

If you check the base of your upturned table and see a bolt on a threaded rod with a big, zinc washer, I would feel even more sure that your piece is authentic.

Releasing this bolt allows you to remove the wooden disc that screws into the underside of the table top.

If you ever wanted to powdercoat your base, you'd need to remove the disc to prevent it from turning to ash in the oven.

Ta.

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